I much admire your attitude David. From my point of view I should
be thankful for the assistance rendered by everyone much more so
by Gurus. If they get angry, that is OK. I am ever so thankful for
pointers and solutions. If most of us seek only directions and are
prepared to do a little hardwork on our own, we can all get the
greatest benefit of Open Source. Like you David, I always strive to
put myself in the other person's position.
However one thing. Let newbies be not discouraged by any hot
words. The newbies should ask "why such hot words" instead of
returning a flame. Also, instead of posting code and asking "Tell
me what is wrong with it?", try to explain what you are trying to do
and where the problem (approximately) is. In the open learning
environment 24 hours are not enough to ask and answer questions.
My tuppence worth!
Ranga Nathan
Reliance Technology Consultants Inc.
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> > mostly in reply to David,
>
> I'm flattered. :-)
>
> > yes, i've forgotten to mention that there's lot of arrogance among the
> > enlighted perl folks. another good reason to rather seek a simple than a
> > correct way out of a perl problem.
>
> Pretty much as I tried to point out. But the Perl wizards see the
> arguments in an entirely different light. Both sides are at fault
> here, unfortunately, and neither is willing to give very much.
> I've seen these spats on comp.lang.perl.misc often enough. You
> may see it as arrogance, but it really isn't. Just as they may
> see a newbie's questions as self-serving and lazy, while they really
> aren't. Still, once the emotional baggage has been added on, it
> never comes off.
>
> It is at the point that some Perl wizards in comp.lang.perl.misc
> are deliberately rude just to get rid of newbies who haven't "done
> their homework". Sort of like having Professor Kingsfield answer
> your question. I see no way of making it better when too many
> people deliberately flaunt the newsgroup rules just to tick off the
> people on the other side, thereby making life miserable for people
> who just want to learn, and people who just want to help.
>
> > pitty though one would be so much happier if the community - as praised in
> > larry wall's book - would be using more of their time in mailing lists, on
> > irc chats and so on to help out people or tell them where to find real help
> > then reassuring them selfs, that they're so much above the average.
>
> They really don't. Honest. But when a Tom Christiansen or a Uri
> Guttman [he co-wrote the search engine for Northern Light] answers
> a question, the poster may get some serious information overload..
> and the guru may correct so many small errors that the poster feels
> s?he is being picked on. And the response may be so nasty that the
> guru then is less friendly when answering the *next* question.
>
> It has happened to me. Someone asked for help with his code.
> I answered, trying to be helpful. The person had some serious
> mistakes in his 20 or 30 lines of code. I pointed them out,
> saying that everyone makes mistakes at first, and even going to
> the trouble of writing two or three lines of code to replace what
> was much longer and non-functional. For my trouble I got a
> F$%K OFF AND DIE YOU A$$HOLE!!!! reply from the poster. That of
> course made me really willing to go to the same trouble for the
> next poster I answered. Someone like Tom Christiansen, after getting
> that sort of attitude day in and day out for 11 years of answering
> questions, no longer feels like being Mister Hospitality.
>
> > sorry for the sharp tone, but this sounds very much alike the stuff i've
> > read over and over again whilst being confronted with perl problems,
> > looking for solutions on irc and elsewhere.
>
> Not a problem [for me, anyway]. But when asking for assistance
> in comp.lang.perl.misc or on the perl irc channel, try to put yourself
> in the guru's shoes first. What would you like to see in a querent's
> post?
>
> David
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