The point is really not whether people like you or don't, and also not about whether you like specific people or don't.
I don't know you (at least personally), you don't know me personally, and nobody cares about whether I like you or whether you like me. The whole point is about being polite, constructive, courteous, and respectful with other people. I suspect you probably know what I mean, you know, the Netiquette. We can disagree on one point (or on many points, for that matter) and still listen to the other's arguments in good faith and reply politely. Consider the documentation issue. I remember what the documentation was like 6 or 7 years ago when I really started working on Raku (or Perl 6 at the time). Yes, it was quite bad. And I complained about this problem in various tutorials I wrote in French at the time. But it has improved tremendously since. And I strongly disagree with you on that: I think it is quite good now. Certainly not perfect, but really much better. Now, one thing you might be interested to know is that JJ Merelo launched in August 2018 (at the Edinburgh Perl Conference) a project to improve the Perl6/Raku documentation. I strongly suspect that he did that because he found that there was a lot of opportunity for improvement (although I briefly spoke with him at the time, we did not discuss his deep motivations, but I would submit that he would not have done that if he thought the documentation was completely OK). In the 18 months since that, JJ has committed a lot or effort to improve the documentation. It is still not perfect. But it has improved a lot, thanks to JJ's efforts, among others. So, the way you behave with him is just nasty and evil. Please stop doing that. JJ has contributed an immense service to the community. Please stop bashing him, this is really awful behavior toward someone who has made some much effort to improve it. BTW; thank you, JJ, for that. Le mer. 15 janv. 2020 à 23:39, ToddAndMargo via perl6-users < perl6-us...@perl.org> a écrit : > On 2020-01-15 14:18, Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: > > Thank you Richard for this long and thoughtful answer. > > > > I have already given up on Todd, I'm glad to see others haven't (yet). > What will follow is probably a response that is either: a. everybody is > against me, b. the Raku community won't listen, c. the various variations > on those themes. I sincerely hope that I'm wrong. > > > > Liz > > Hi Liz, > > Richard has not liked me for a long time. There > is really not anything I can do about it but > maybe wait him out. I can say the sky is a lovely > shade of blue and he would find something offensive > in the remark. > > "a. everybody is against me, b. the Raku > community won't listen, c. the various variations > on those themes" > > Uhhhh. I complain about the documentation and the > difficulty in try to get it fixed. The rest of Raku, > I absolute adore and have said so, so many times > that I fear I am being tiresome. > > And the "everybody is against me" remark is in your > head. I have NEVER said anything like this. Complaining > about the state of the documentation is not complaining > that everyone is against me. > > And to add, I really like the folks on this group > as well as thank them profusely when they help me. > I am also starting to be able to return the favor and > help others. > > And I even like you too. You help me with things > and you don't even like me. That is a good character > trait on your part. I will wear you down eventually. > > Raku and the members of this group are awesome. > > -T >
