my take on this debate is that there is much more to do _not in the protocols 
specifications_ than enhancing what our protocol specs. Deployment, 
implementations, etc... shall be more targetted to be enhanced.  Therefore I 
agree with your idea.  And opensource is just one market.

Marc.

Le 2013-09-10 à 15:02, Hannes Tschofenig <[email protected]> a écrit :

> Hi all,
> 
> as I replied to Dave about the scope of the discussions at the next IETF 
> meeting I was wondering about the following issue.
> 
> Bruce Schneier asked the IETF for help and, as we have noticed in the 
> discussions there are certain limits to what we can do in the IETF (as a 
> standardization body).
> 
> The wider Internet community, however, has somewhat different options and we 
> have in other cases reached out to that community to impact the deployment of 
> Internet technologies. A recent example is the IPv6 day.
> 
> Why should we turn around and ask the Internet community to help us out with 
> some of the issues we cannot solve alone, such as those related to the 
> deployment of various security extensions.
> 
> I am sure many open source developers are at this moment trying to figure out 
> what they should be improving but they may not have the same level of 
> expertise as we have.
> 
> Needless to say that we first have to figure out what we want to ask for and 
> this requires some investigation in what is currently available (like Yaron 
> did for S/MIME and Jim Gettys did for his DNSSEC case).
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Ciao
> Hannes
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