Bruce Perens: > On 12/04/2013 11:55 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: >> Dear Bruce, >> >> Why do you dignify these actions as 'law enforcement' or even as >> 'national defense' when we're discussing illegal spying? > Because some of them are in my interest. And yours.
What about the illegal spying is in your interest? It certainly isn't in my interest - I have been targeted for years by this spying and I most certainly do not feel that it is in my interest. I'm sure the non-Americans on the list would also love to hear about it too. > > We have a nasty part of government that thinks it is in an an endless war. > Every > liberal nation, historically, discontinues its nice rights and protections > during wartime. > This is an oversimplification that is not legally correct. > But I don't kid myself that nothing that they are doing is done to protect me > and others like me from a zillion nut-cases who conspire to do people harm > and > sometimes actually carry it out. I have met some of those nut-cases. > ... > Every society chooses its balance between freedom and enforcement. Ours isn't > the right balance today, agreed. But the proposals I see here are the hacker > approach - we're not patient to deal with this as a political problem, so > we'll > change everyone's web browser. This is the number one vector for the TAO at the NSA, fyi. Ensuring that Man-on-the-Side is impossible will improve the security of everyone. There will be other attack vectors, of course. >> Pervasive surveillance, censorship and malware is a serious threat >> regardless of your feelings about the NSA. > And will continue to be so after all web transactions are encrypted. You're > not > going to actually solve any problems. I am actually working quite hard on solving these problems. We're having this discussion partially because of my efforts, so please speak for yourself and not for me, alright? I look forward to seeing some more positive contributions from you. You have a big brain and are a person of good character - come help us fix the serious issues on the internet, Bruce. All the best, Jacob _______________________________________________ perpass mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass
