On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

Get a CCIE and tell me that again :-) When you are handed a complicated network of routers and switches running all sorts of version of IOS and
CatOS and you go to lunch, they break it and you have a certain time
allotment to fix it all.

Most certifications are not simple multiple choice quizes.  Just the
ones you hear about -- the ones that suck.

I think seeing relevant training courses + experience on a CV trumps
certification anytime - unfortunately a lot of folks out there are
mesmerized by shiny certificates....

Sure. But experience is very hard to get.  And since people with
PostgreSQL experience are limited, companies adopting it need a good
second option -- certified people.

They aren't limited, just all employed ;)

I can't find 500, let alone 1000, people with extensive postgresql experience in an enterprise environment. Oracle has an order of magnitude more. MySQL even has better numbers than postgres in this arena. If you only want to hire people with extensive experience, you're exposing yourself to an enormous business risk by adopting postgres. You'd have to hire out to a consulting company and if too many do that, the consulting company will have scaling issues (as all do).

The upside of Oracle is that I can hire out to a consulting company for some things (particularly challenging scale or recovery issues) and get someone who knows their way around Oracle reasonably well (has performed _real_ disaster recovery in a hands on fashion, performed hands-on query tuning, database sizing exercises, etc.) by simply finding someone who is Oracle certified (all of those things are part of the Oracle certification process). Granted, just because someone is certified doesn't mean they "fit" or will excel at the problems you give them -- it's just a nice lower bar. Granted you can make a name for yourself as an expert without getting a certification, but if you've made a name for yourself, you aren't likely to be on the job market -- which is really my point. Oracle's certification programs have helped Oracle considerably in gaining the number of Oracle professionals in the job market. PostgreSQL certification has the opportunity to do the same and in doing so increase overall PostgreSQL adoption. That's a good thing.


// Theo Schlossnagle
// CTO -- http://www.omniti.com/~jesus/
// OmniTI Computer Consulting, Inc. -- http://www.omniti.com/

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