> Jan Wieck wrote:
> > Are we still discussing if the Postgres backend may provide support for
> > a commit timestamp, that follows the rules for Lamport timestamps in a
> > multi-node cluster?

...I thought you said in this thread that you haven't and weren't going to
work on any kind of logical proof of it's correctness, saw no value in
prototyping your way to a clear (convincing) argument, and were
withdrawing the proposal due to all the issues others raised which were,
in light of this, unanswerable beyond conjecture. I thought that the
thread was continuing because other people saw value in the kernel of the
idea, would support if if it could be shown to be correct/useful, were
disappointed you'd leave it at that and wanted to continue to see if
something positive might come of the dialogue. So, the thread weaved
around a bit. I think that if you want to nail this down, people here are
willing to be convinced, but that hasn't happened yet.

On Wed, 7 Feb 2007, Markus Schiltknecht wrote:
> I'm only trying to get a discussion going, because a) I'm interested in
> how you plan to solve these problems and b) in the past, most people
> were complaining that all the different replication efforts didn't try
> to work together. I'm slowly trying to open up and discuss what I'm
> doing with Postgres-R on the lists.
> Just yesterday at the SFPUG meeting, I've experienced how confusing it
> is for the users to have such a broad variety of (existing and upcoming)
> replication solutions. And I'm all for working together and probably
> even for merging different replication solutions.

In support of that idea, I offer this; When Randy Eash wrote the world's
first replication system for Ingres circa 1990, his work included ideas
and features that are right now in the Postgres world fragmented among
several existing replication / replication-related products, along with
some things that are only now in discussion in this group. As discussed at
the SFPUG meeting last night, real-world use cases are seldom if ever
completely satisfied with a one-size-fits-all replication strategy. For
example, a manufacturing company might want all factories to be capable of
being autonomous but both report activities and take direction from
corporate headquarters. To do this without having multiple databases at
each site, a single database instance would likely be both a master and
slave, but for differing aspects of the businesses needs. Business
decisions would resolve the conflicts, say, the manufacturing node always
wins when it comes to data that pertains to their work, rather than
something like a time-stamp, last timestamp/serialized update wins.

Like Markus, I would like to see the various replication efforts merged as
best they can be because even if the majority of users don't use a little
bit of everything, surely the more interesting cases would like to and the
entire community is better served if the various "solutions" are in


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