If we can include the ANT libraries in our CVS then my
objection to ANT (requiring users to trackdown and download ANT) goes
away, and I would then suggest we continue to use ANT for the other
reasons you mention.

Does anyone know if we could include ANT into our CVS and redistribute 
it in order to build the jdbc code?  Are their license incompatibilities 
between the Apache License and the PostgreSQL license that would prevent 


Ned Wolpert wrote:

> I meant to send this to the group...
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> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:45:43 -0700 (MST)
> From: Ned Wolpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Barry Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [JDBC] [PATCHES] Ant configuration
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> Two cents with of thought... :-)
> On 18-Oct-2001 Barry Lind wrote:
>>>* People with Java background probably know Ant better that
>>>  'make'.   Ant seems to become 'build tool of choice' in
>>>  Java world.
>>Perhaps, but I'm not convinced that either of these arguments is true. 
>>I have seen make used by more projects than ant, and a developer 
>>building postgres from source, certainly needs to be familiar with make.
> Ant is great in a pure-java project.  I have seen ant used as the primary
> build engine in many Java projects, and it works great for me.  But, here are
> some (conflicting) thoughts.
> 1) To some degree, the make process of PostgreSQL should be consistant.  Ant
> and Make are two seperate building systems.  Its easier to put the JDBC driver
> into make than it is to put postgresql into ant.
> 2) Correct me if I'm wrong, but currently, Make is needed to run Ant in the
> JDBC driver anyways, right? (To grab the version numbers and set the properties
> when running ant)
> Yet...
> 3) Java is system independant, and the JDBC driver is a client piece.  I should
> be able to compile the JDBC driver outside of PostgreSQL server if I wanted to,
> right?  Example, I can't compile PostgreSQL on windozes 95.  But I could
> compile the JDBC driver via ant if Java and ant are installed.  (Or, rather, I
> should be able to)
> 4) Ant doesn't need to be 'installed' in other projects. Rather, they include
> the needed ant libs in the CVS, which is allowed by the license, and create a
> build script to call the ant process to build.  (Usually a build.sh and a
> build.bat) We could do that to also set the version numbers rather than have
> make do it.
> I guess I can make an argument either way.  The real way to answer this is to
> ask if one cares if you can build the JDBC driver on window's only platform
> without cygwin installed.  
>   -If the answer is no, that one wouldn't build the JDBC driver without building
>    the rest of postgresql, then the build process should be tied to make, like
>    the rest of postgresql, for simplisity in maintence.
>   -However, if the JDBC driver should be able to be built without having to
>    build postgresql, (on platforms without UNIX-compatiablity layer like cygwin)
>    for client use only, then yes, use Ant to achive platform-independance.
> I'm lucky enough to only work with Linux, so I don't really care on the outcome
> of this :-) I can work with either.
> Virtually, 
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