Hi, I am in favor of using monospaced fonts for the code and sans serif fonts for the rest of the things. I pushed the Source Sans + Source Code fonts for the Moose image since half a year, and actually people like the look of them. I am a bit surprised to see such virulent reactions :).
@Sven: the mail discussions that led to the fonts choice had you in CC the whole time :). Cheers, Doru On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 15 Oct 2013, at 17:05, Esteban Lorenzano <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Oct 15, 2013, at 4:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> On 15 Oct 2013, at 16:35, Esteban Lorenzano <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> except that it is not accurate :) > >>> > >>> - with a monospace you can have bolds and italic without problems (it > is a decent one)... and you also can play with sizes (for example, for > comments) > >>> - when you copy&paste you will lose part of your formatting no matter > if you have a fixed font or a proportional one (is not true that you lose > all of them... in fact I usually do not lose any) > >> > >> Sorry, but there are no sensible arguments in favour of a monospaced > font. It is just not needed (in Smalltalk). Another way to look at it is: > 99.99 % of the world use proportional fonts. > >> > >> BTW, I think whoever made this 'decision' knew it would be _very_ hard > to get this passed ;-) > >> > >> Maybe we should switch to C/Java/Javascript syntax so that we do not > scare newcomers ? Sorry, I could not resist. > > not taken. > > and non sense. > > idea is to welcome newcomers, not to became another language. > > Now... if font is *part* of the language, we could be talking about the > same. But since it is not, then we are comparing apples with tomatoes. > > > > I can say that no, 99% of the world do not use proportional fonts... > every other programing environment uses monospaced fonts. > > yeah, I know "we are different"... but we still code. Ah, no, sorry... > we "manipulate objects", but that looks really close to coding for me. > > > > and yes... I was expecting a lot of whining (even if it was not me > *alone* who took the decision), but I was expecting from people at least > wait to see the fonts before start the bashing ;) > > Well, it is not 'bashing', I just totally do not agree. > And I would like to know who else is in favour, how the decision was made. > But I'll wait a bit for other comments. > > >>> On Oct 15, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Excellent arguments ! > >>>> I am with you 100% > >>>> > >>>> On 15 Oct 2013, at 15:21, Igor Stasenko <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Since the days when editors was able to allow me using any fonts, i > was always switching to variable-spaced font > >>>>> for code pane. And i am not speaking about smalltalk or pharo here, > it was C and Pascal those days :) > >>>>> > >>>>> guess, what i would prefer in pharo? :) > >>>>> > >>>>> The bad things about getting used to monospaced fonts is that you > format code and it looks perfect, > >>>>> but then you print it or copy/paste it somewhere else where it uses > other font, and all your beautiful formatting are gone. > >>>>> Needless to say, that printing press was invented way before first > computer or digital printer, and all we know about fonts came > >>>>> to us from the printing world.. and i think i would be right saying > that before first digital printers there was not such thing as monospaced > >>>>> fonts, because it is not economically efficient: you don't want to > waste space on front page of your newspaper by aligning glyphs to some > virtual grid. > >>>>> More than that, it works well only if you using same font size and > no bold/underline variants whatever.. as soon as you use variants or > different font size, > >>>>> all the benefits of 'formatting' using monospaced font is gone. > >>>>> That means, if we employ monospaced font for code, we will be forced > to not use bold/italic variants, or different font size (for instance, > >>>>> i would be like to play with code highlight scheme, where comments > using different font size, or where method name uses bigger font size etc). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> Igor Stasenko. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
