2014-06-19 16:44 GMT+02:00 Dennis Schetinin <[email protected]>: > Simple ~= Easy. > Smalltalk is simple (simpler then most of other PLs), but it's not easy > (to understand and master, especially after other PLs). > > > Intersting... I'm certainly too biased after all these years of Smalltalk, but I would have thought the exact contrary... What exactly isn't easy in Smalltalk versus other PL? Is understanding and mastering C++, lisp, haskell, whatever, simpler than Smalltalk? Or do you only mean that difference between any two other languages is less than difference to Smalltalk?
> -- > > Best regards, > > > Dennis Schetinin > > > 2014-06-17 11:59 GMT+04:00 kilon alios <[email protected]>: > >> personally I don't like this postcard , it looks too much like "snake oil >> marketing" to me. >> >> It creates the illusion that Pharo is much simpler than other programming >> languages as a programming language while nothing can be further from the >> truth. The idea here is to prove to the viewer that Pharo is based on a >> very simple recipe and that is of course true. But if we have to be honest >> is should come with a disclaimer for the potential users that Pharo is no >> blue pill and there tons of things outside this postcard you need to learn >> if you want to create the simplest Pharo application. I will be frank , as >> a language I dont find Pharo any simpler than let's say python , which I am >> more familiar with. And the fact that there is this simple recipe gave me >> zero benefits to me so far. Its a cool trick that may come handy down the >> line if I want to shape the language more to my needs, but I dont see doing >> this to a day by day basis. >> >> Now a "living coding postcard" stating the workflow of Pharo and >> demonstrating the power of the debugger is much more honest and frankly >> better marketing for Pharo. You show something to a person that will >> benefit his workflow on a day by day basis. >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Now, who is creative enough to add “dynamic array” (one with curly >>> braces) and temporaries in a block to the original thing: >>> >>> exampleWithNumber: x >>> | y | >>> true & false not & (nil isNil) ifFalse: [self halt]. >>> y := self size + super size. >>> #($a #a "a" 1 1.0) >>> do: [ :each | >>> Transcript show: (each class name); >>> show: ' ']. >>> ^x < y >>> >>> >>> >>> Uko >>> >>> On 16 Jun 2014, at 15:35, Oscar Nierstrasz <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I got it from Stef, who always said it came originally from Ralph >>> Johnson. >>> >>> http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki?SmalltalkSyntaxInaPostcard >>> >>> Googling around finds various copies of this, but no original source. >>> >>> Oscar >>> >>> On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:58 , Yuriy Tymchuk <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I guess it’s here: http://files.pharo.org/media/flyer-cheat-sheet.pdf >>> >>> I think that it would be interesting to put the syntax on a postcard. It >>> can work as a proof of concept, some addition cheat-sheet for newcomers and >>> also as some king of souvenir. >>> >>> Uko >>> >>> On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:36, stepharo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> you have the flyer of Damien (no idea where it is) but no real postcard. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On 16/6/14 09:35, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> we all are talking about the syntax fitting in a postcard, but was there >>> any real postcard with Pharo syntax prototype? This would be really >>> interesting. >>> >>> Uko >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >
