On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:19 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> wrote: > I'll try once more to explain. > > You like the catalog, don't you ? It was your idea in the first place. With > this feature you can just type XML, CSV, JSON or whatever and it will suggest > a couple of catalog projects that you can install with just one click, no > need to open any tool you don't even know. This is especially good for new > people. IT IS A FANTASTIC FEATURE, IT IS THE WAY THINGS SHOULD WORK. It > leverages all the work put in the catalog. > > Is Spotter or any other part of Pharo perfect ? No. > > For many people, Spotter make a huge functional difference, we use it every > minute. If it would hang or block the image even once a day, any of us would > complain loudly. > > Conclusion: it works for 99% of the people/cases. > > Even in the 1% where there is a problem, it is not 100% sure it is related to > the catalog searching. In the last concrete issue reported, the guy tried > disabling the catalog searching AND IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE ! > > So again, why turn it off ? It is an overreaction, not engineering. > > The underlying problem is that in some very rare, hard to reproduce cases we > cannot reliably detect that there is no network. That's about it.
If the root cause is a blocking system call e.g.... "NetNameResolver class>>#addressForName: sometimes hangs when there is no network" https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?18281&; this seems very hard to fix at the Image level, except maybe doing in-Image name resolution instead of relying on the system library. I found this... http://forum.world.st/ANN-DnsClient-More-protocol-fun-td2303225.html and... http://www.squeaksource.com/dnsclient.html http://www.squeaksource.com/ar.html cheers -ben > > Note also that almost every application or app today will do some network > calls, this is how the world work - we should be able to do the same with > Pharo, not run away and kill every feature that does a network call. > >> On 06 Jul 2016, at 18:14, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote: >> >> Who vote to put it in? >> >> Seriously I think that my main concern is about getting Pharo stable in any >> occasion and not giving >> >> a bad impression of the system. I takes enough time to build traction and >> such glitches can spoil >> >> our effort in no time. "Yes Pharo froze." >> >> So it would be nice to care take of such aspect. >> >> I do not understand why super users do not manage to put a reference to on >> in the preferences. >> >> Sorry esteban but I do not buy your argument that something off is remove. >> No it is off. >> >> Stef >>>> On 06 Jul 2016, at 09:52, GitHub <nore...@github.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> 18674 Turn spotter catalog off by default >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18674 >>> We did not agree on this, at all, there was no public discussion, no vote. >>> >>> >> >> > >
