Hi Ben, On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:19 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> > wrote: > > I'll try once more to explain. > > > > You like the catalog, don't you ? It was your idea in the first place. > With this feature you can just type XML, CSV, JSON or whatever and it will > suggest a couple of catalog projects that you can install with just one > click, no need to open any tool you don't even know. This is especially > good for new people. IT IS A FANTASTIC FEATURE, IT IS THE WAY THINGS SHOULD > WORK. It leverages all the work put in the catalog. > > > > Is Spotter or any other part of Pharo perfect ? No. > > > > For many people, Spotter make a huge functional difference, we use it > every minute. If it would hang or block the image even once a day, any of > us would complain loudly. > > > > Conclusion: it works for 99% of the people/cases. > > > > Even in the 1% where there is a problem, it is not 100% sure it is > related to the catalog searching. In the last concrete issue reported, the > guy tried disabling the catalog searching AND IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE ! > > > > So again, why turn it off ? It is an overreaction, not engineering. > > > > The underlying problem is that in some very rare, hard to reproduce > cases we cannot reliably detect that there is no network. That's about it. > > If the root cause is a blocking system call e.g.... > "NetNameResolver class>>#addressForName: sometimes hangs when there is > no network" > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?18281&; > > this seems very hard to fix at the Image level, except maybe doing > in-Image name resolution instead of relying on the system library. I > found this... > http://forum.world.st/ANN-DnsClient-More-protocol-fun-td2303225.html It'll be child's play when we have the threaded FFI. > > > and... > http://www.squeaksource.com/dnsclient.html > http://www.squeaksource.com/ar.html > > cheers -ben > > > > > Note also that almost every application or app today will do some > network calls, this is how the world work - we should be able to do the > same with Pharo, not run away and kill every feature that does a network > call. > > > >> On 06 Jul 2016, at 18:14, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote: > >> > >> Who vote to put it in? > >> > >> Seriously I think that my main concern is about getting Pharo stable in > any occasion and not giving > >> > >> a bad impression of the system. I takes enough time to build traction > and such glitches can spoil > >> > >> our effort in no time. "Yes Pharo froze." > >> > >> So it would be nice to care take of such aspect. > >> > >> I do not understand why super users do not manage to put a reference to > on in the preferences. > >> > >> Sorry esteban but I do not buy your argument that something off is > remove. No it is off. > >> > >> Stef > >>>> On 06 Jul 2016, at 09:52, GitHub <nore...@github.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> 18674 Turn spotter catalog off by default > >>>> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/18674 > >>> We did not agree on this, at all, there was no public discussion, no > vote. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot
