Guillermo,

While all the criticisms of yours are correct, they do not change the reality.  
If you take some other sources like the inventory of systems benchmarked by 
companies specializing in this kind of job¹, or government inventories or even 
the ISBSG database, you'll find Smalltalk use (which relates to 'popularity') 
is residual in any realm.

In fact, Gartner issued some years ago a research note² and classified 
languages according 
to a "A Life-Cycle Maturity Matrix".  Recently James Robertson from Cimcon 
managed to have Gartner to write (in a blog, however, no "Research") flattering 
things about Smalltalk in a
context of dynamic languages.

Regards,

--
Cesar Rabak


[1] Not so blatant advice: I used to work for Gartner and now I represent SPR. 

[2] TU-05-1942 "Life-Cycle Strategies for Legacy Languages", J. Duggan, 
Gartner, Stamford, CT, 1998.

Em 06/12/2010 10:38, Guillermo Polito < [email protected] > escreveu:
JAjajaja,

It's not that Indexes are not trustable...  They are measured in a way 
Smalltalk will never be recognized as popular:

- searches in yahoo
- open source projects in some webs
- people asking for job
 
The only one that surprized me is the book's one.  But 
1) the data is not taken from amazon and I don't know this Powell's Books 
library :P.
2) It's true that there is a stupid amount of java, c#, c++ books...
 
Maybe we can think a not so stupid index.

Cheers


On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:12 AM, laurent laffont <[email protected]> 
wrote:

And I've just seen the bottom of the message :), it seems http://langpop.com/ 
agree with TIOBE.




On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:09 AM, laurent laffont <[email protected]> 
wrote:




On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:51 AM, James Ladd <[email protected]> wrote:



While pleading for Smalltalk support with a developer from a popular and great 
IDE company, I got the

following response (below)

 

Is there anything I can do/show to prove or disprove the popularity of 
Smalltalk?






According to TIOBE, Smalltalk is as popular as Erlang and more popular than 
Scala http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html

But that's only numbers and I don't trust it :)

May be your developer from a "popular" IDE company should define what "popular" 
means...

Laurent






 

Rgs, James.



 

>>Hello James.

>>About Smalltalk plugin. Weel, I’m not sure Smalltalk has a big audience now. 
>>I’ve never heard about commercial products based on Smalltalk. 
>>Here, some statistics http://langpop.com/ 











 

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