To add a little of data to anecdote, let me put two complimentary pointers:
Talks about the "The US Department of Defense has decided to discontinue the development, maintenance, and –use- of JAS (nee JWARS) by year end. JAS is a joint campaign model, (one that represents all the services), consisting of over 1.1 million lines of Smalltalk that has been developed over the last 15 years at a cost to the taxpayers north of $110 million." Further details: http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=gNSEzw8AAADszNgJiajay96Y7oEQONQG About Gartner's affirmations (ten years old!) http://groups.google.com/group/ibm.software.vasmalltalk/browse_thread/thread/6260484c776e83b5/23712440b7edae4d?lnk=gst&q=migration+VASmalltalk# And a case study of a company that decided _not_ switch from Smalltalk after tried to go java: http://www.nycsmalltalk.org/2009/11/return-to-smalltalk/ HTH to enlighten our discussions on these matters. -- Cesar Rabak Em 06/12/2010 14:27, [email protected] escreveu: Guillermo, While all the criticisms of yours are correct, they do not change the reality. If you take some other sources like the inventory of systems benchmarked by companies specializing in this kind of job¹, or government inventories or even the ISBSG database, you'll find Smalltalk use (which relates to 'popularity') is residual in any realm. In fact, Gartner issued some years ago a research note² and classified languages according to a "A Life-Cycle Maturity Matrix". Recently James Robertson from Cimcon managed to have Gartner to write (in a blog, however, no "Research") flattering things about Smalltalk in a context of dynamic languages. Regards, -- Cesar Rabak [1] Not so blatant advice: I used to work for Gartner and now I represent SPR. [2] TU-05-1942 "Life-Cycle Strategies for Legacy Languages", J. Duggan, Gartner, Stamford, CT, 1998. Em 06/12/2010 10:38, Guillermo Polito < [email protected] > escreveu: JAjajaja, It's not that Indexes are not trustable... They are measured in a way Smalltalk will never be recognized as popular: - searches in yahoo - open source projects in some webs - people asking for job The only one that surprized me is the book's one. But 1) the data is not taken from amazon and I don't know this Powell's Books library :P. 2) It's true that there is a stupid amount of java, c#, c++ books... Maybe we can think a not so stupid index. Cheers On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:12 AM, laurent laffont wrote: And I've just seen the bottom of the message :), it seems http://langpop.com/ agree with TIOBE. On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:09 AM, laurent laffont wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:51 AM, James Ladd wrote: While pleading for Smalltalk support with a developer from a popular and great IDE company, I got the following response (below) Is there anything I can do/show to prove or disprove the popularity of Smalltalk? According to TIOBE, Smalltalk is as popular as Erlang and more popular than Scala http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html But that's only numbers and I don't trust it :) May be your developer from a "popular" IDE company should define what "popular" means... Laurent Rgs, James. >>Hello James. >>About Smalltalk plugin. Weel, I’m not sure Smalltalk has a big audience now. >>I’ve never heard about commercial products based on Smalltalk. >>Here, some statistics http://langpop.com/
