Yep, most of what you described on HTML5 and Mobile front is already there or in planning/vision state in Aida land, together with Jtalk.
I'm just preparing a "On the web frontiers.." submittion for ESUG talk about this, so guys please keep comming out with such ideas! Janko On 25. 03. 2011 09:37, Göran Krampe wrote: > Hi all! > > <brainstorm> > I think we should think about what is happening out there with the new > explosion around two things: > > - Mobile apps > - HTML5 > > IT is changing, people are using pads and phones more than computers in > the very near future (or already). And HTML5 gives advanced capabilities > to play on these devices without having to buy the whole technical eco > system of them (on Android it is Dalvik and on iOS it is Objective-C > more or less). > > HTML5 is enabling stuff like ThinVNC for example (just google it). Or > endless mobile frameworks like Joapp.com etc. > > And then to top it off we have Google and it Nacl project (Native > client) which is basically a "sandboxed x86 environment" if I grokked it > correctly. > > I want to be able to develop systems in Pharo/Squeak that can reach > people on all these devices - of basically two flavors: > > - Typical mobile apps using webtech. For many of us - for maximum reach > and minimum "tie up" with any of these platforms I think the new web > solutions are the way to go. > > - Graphical apps that look exactly like I want (think games). > > How do we enable this? > > One way could be to create a fast "Morphic player" layer in js utilizing > HTML5 to talk back to a server side Squeak. Kinda like ThinVNC but > tailored for Morphic? > > Or even more crazy, what if one could sit in the debugger in Pharo and > "step into" code actually running inside the js engine in a browser, > seamless debugging and somehow also seamless access to the objects on > the js side? > > If someone here has seen how VW integrates with Gemstone (or perhaps > GLASS does the same now) - it is very seamless. > > In that "crazy vision" one obviously starts thinking of two roads: > > 1. Create a "Smalltalk" on top of js that we can "tether with". JTalk > perhaps? > > 2. Or perhaps it is even better to let js be js and instead make > Muhammed (=Pharo) come to the mountain (=the huge js eco system). Thus > we could create a low level tethering with Javascript and then make > Pharo "Javascript aware" on many levels, like inspectors, debugger, > browsers etc. > > ...hmmm, wow. Now that I am typing this the above #2 would be awesomely > cool. ;) > > Another more "conventional" way to capture #1 above is of course to > integrate Joapp or JQuery Mobile (Renggli already doing that I think) > with Seaside. > </brainstorm> > > regards, Göran > > PS. Yes, this post didn't start with "I want to do X" but on the other > hand I am just brainstorming here, I am not saying anyone should do > *anything*. :) > > -- Janko Mivšek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si
