Hi guido If it helps to insult please do this is free and cheap.
You did not even reply to a basic one: how VW compares? None of your past emails got any verifiable information. Too bad. Sven company is exactly using pharo as server, so this contradicts a bit your points but the key difference is that sven shows it to us. Now without any real data and just smoke facts I will not consider your emails anymore. Good luck. Stef > Am 13.02.2012 20:25 schrieb "Stéphane Ducasse" <stephane.duca...@inria.fr>: > > > > Dear Guido > > Hi Stef! > > > > Do the right things, make Pharo, Seaside *usable* > > > > Did you try with VisualWorks? > > I'm pretty sure that you can use it without paying a license. :) > > > > > > Look at: > > > http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html > > > > > > Selecting notebooks by price, endurance, weight, with sliders. I could > > > sell *hundreds* of those shops to customers, big companies, hosting > > > inclusive for 20.000 each. > > > > Are you doing such web site? With Seaside? With Pharo? > > Wie started off a project, a shop like this, with Seaside on Pharo, and we > had to give up, when benchmarks came into consideration. > > You remember, some time ago, you and Marcus denied all my complaints: > > http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html > > What has happened? I went on with pushing development of a similar shop (see > cyberport.de) and finally lost several 10.000nds of €, because Pharo/Seaside > *is* much too slow for any serious enterprise. > > > > Pharo/Seaside *is* the right tool if YOU WOULD DO THE RIGHT THINGS, not > > > just bothering some class structure deep in Pharo. > > > > > > Pharo hangs even at *directly* serving static pages at low loads. I hoped > > > to see significant speedups due to lack of any 3/4/5 tier middleware with > > > being everything done within one VM. Database, delivery, … > > > > Provide real code and examples. > > My former complaints (see link above) have been ignored, calling me a Troll, > and in the meantime this list *is full* of reports Pharo being unstable. > > You as being the *always optimistic* chief develloper and project manager > your lazy attitude already has cost me a lot of €!!! More than your annual > income! > > But ok, my personal risk! > > > > I am still disappointed. Welcome in the *real world*. Doing academic > > > brainfuck is not sufficient. > > > > :) > > Who are you to know what we are really doing :) > > I follow all changes, i know, hat you are aiming at! But - you've got the > wrong priorities! > > Stability *always* comes first!!! > > > > So are your etats for developing Pharo, near ZERO. Start thinking like > > > business men! Listen to that, what customers want! > > > > > > I would be curious to see your "clients". > > I've got best connections to top 500 enterprise and deciders in germany. I > would be pleased to present them a Seaside Shop, running on Pharo, PostgreSql > or Magma behind, ready to run from within one image. > > > Pharo is far from what we dream about but we are serious about it and we > > are concerned by business. > > > > Now your trolling is good because we are not an obscure community without a > > troll but we have one troll > > so this is good. Thanks. > > Ok. If you are not able to get Pharo development managed under consideration > of business needs, means: benchmarks and stress tests equiv to sunit tests, > please step back as project leader! > > > If you are positive and provide information that is not just bullshitting > > then we will consider to reply and consider your request else *plonk* > > I am positive, still, although you cost me much money. > > Happy hacking! > > Guido Stepken >
