Well... this is an example of what the "thread" was about at the beginning... that is, the lack of knowledge on software development... I you have known a little bit about architecture, multi-threading and vm implementation, you would quickly realize that pharo will not scale as a server. Squeak (where pharo comes from) was not design/implemented to be used as a server (and please, don not take this bad, I don't want to be unworthy with Pharo because it is changing and getting better with every realease)
So, if you want to do a "serious enterprise" application, you should have used and architecture prepare for that such as GemStone (GLASS in this case)... it is a pity you lost so much money due to you "lack" of knowledge. Bye, Hernan On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Guido Stepken <gstep...@googlemail.com>wrote: > Am 13.02.2012 20:25 schrieb "Stéphane Ducasse" > <stephane.ducasse<stephane.duca...@inria.fr> > @ <stephane.duca...@inria.fr>inria.fr <stephane.duca...@inria.fr>>: > > > > Dear Guido > > Hi Stef! > > > > Do the right things, make Pharo, Seaside *usable* > > > > Did you try with VisualWorks? > > I'm pretty sure that you can use it without paying a license. :) > > > > > > Look at: > > > http://<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > www.cyberport.de<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > /<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > notebook<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > -und-<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > tablet<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > /<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > notebook<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > -<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > berater<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > /erweiterte-suche/<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > liste.html<http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html> > > > > > > Selecting notebooks by price, endurance, weight, with sliders. I could > sell *hundreds* of those shops to customers, big companies, hosting > inclusive for 20.000 each. > > > > Are you doing such web site? With Seaside? With Pharo? > > Wie started off a project, a shop like this, with Seaside on Pharo, and we > had to give up, when benchmarks came into consideration. > > You remember, some time ago, you and Marcus denied all my complaints: > > http://<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > forum.world.st<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > /<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > Hanging<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > -<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > connects<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > -<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > exhausted<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > -<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > resources<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > -<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > memory<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > -<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > leaks<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > -<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > bocked<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > -<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > everything<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > -<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > Unusable<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > -td3669616.html<http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html> > > What has happened? I went on with pushing development of a similar shop > (see cyberport.de) and finally lost several 10.000nds of €, because > Pharo/Seaside *is* much too slow for any serious enterprise. > > > > Pharo/Seaside *is* the right tool if YOU WOULD DO THE RIGHT THINGS, > not just bothering some class structure deep in Pharo. > > > > > > Pharo hangs even at *directly* serving static pages at low loads. I > hoped to see significant speedups due to lack of any 3/4/5 tier middleware > with being everything done within one VM. Database, delivery, … > > > > Provide real code and examples. > > My former complaints (see link above) have been ignored, calling me a > Troll, and in the meantime this list *is full* of reports Pharo being > unstable. > > You as being the *always optimistic* chief develloper and project manager > your lazy attitude already has cost me a lot of €!!! More than your annual > income! > > But ok, my personal risk! > > > > I am still disappointed. Welcome in the *real world*. Doing academic > brainfuck is not sufficient. > > > > :) > > Who are you to know what we are really doing :) > > I follow all changes, i know, hat you are aiming at! But - you've got the > wrong priorities! > > Stability *always* comes first!!! > > > > So are your etats for developing Pharo, near ZERO. Start thinking like > business men! Listen to that, what customers want! > > > > > > I would be curious to see your "clients". > > I've got best connections to top 500 enterprise and deciders in germany. I > would be pleased to present them a Seaside Shop, running on Pharo, > PostgreSql or Magma behind, ready to run from within one image. > > > Pharo is far from what we dream about but we are serious about it and we > are concerned by business. > > > > Now your trolling is good because we are not an obscure community > without a troll but we have one troll > > so this is good. Thanks. > > Ok. If you are not able to get Pharo development managed under > consideration of business needs, means: benchmarks and stress tests equiv > to sunit tests, please step back as project leader! > > > If you are positive and provide information that is not just > bullshitting then we will consider to reply and consider your request else > *plonk* > > I am positive, still, although you cost me much money. > > Happy hacking! > > Guido Stepken > -- *Hernán Wilkinson Agile Software Development, Teaching & Coaching Mobile: +54 - 911 - 4470 - 7207 email: hernan.wilkin...@10pines.com site: http://www.10Pines.com <http://www.10pines.com/>* Address: Paraguay 523, Floor 7 N, Buenos Aires, Argentina
