The choice is ours to make and define.

Yes enterprise is boring for those wanting life on the edge: tech or anything 
alike... I would love to jump over to the other side... 

Its like the freedom of being Picasso vs being a commercial artist in a studio.

Enterprise typically will use software that is stable and capable of being 
easily usable by newbies. It cares less for the edge of technology, which can 
be achieved by just a minimal subset of the developer community. Yes no new 
larger enterprise stuff will happen in COBOL or ilk... But java and c# have 
proven to be easier to train in freshers, capable of adapting and calling any 
of the new technology if required etc. The very facts we tout as major winners 
in smalltalk is actually dimly viewed by the bulk of managers in enterprise: 
dynamic typing to begin with. They love the fact that the junior dev cannot 
commit many blunders that smalltalk can carry. Image based runtime, packaging , 
source code mgmt in st, etc are amongst stuff few comprehend well. Also we lack 
any decent libraries to for many a task, including reporting, DBMS , soap and 
many other stuff which when required only the ingenous smalltalker can cobble 
it, not our general developer base.

I can be specific with tons of example, that we need to push a clean rock 
stable kernel and winning platform like rails, that make it hugely possible for 
a small firm to push out completed apps in 2 to 6 weeks. It's like the 
construction industry, be able to pick all components of the software: 
authentication, DBMS / ORM , reporting, UI components, messaging, interfaces to 
outside world viz soap, FFI , Remote , batch modules, ... One can push in a 
long list... 

All this is important only if we want to succeed statistically and that 
enriches the community to then indulge even more in research, it's symbiotic in 
that way. The more success you get in the industry the more funding there will 
be to do fundamental research eventually, the more happier all levels of 
smalltalkers from the expert to the beginners will be. 

Modified Quote from Kung Fu panda: master oogway "enterprise .. No enterprise 
.. Who cares", what we do care for is the eventual adoption of smalltalk as an 
equal partner in the landscape of languages, platforms in the world, gives 
enough money for everyone around. Unequal if it must eventually.. 



On Feb 21, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Marcus Denker <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> On Feb 21, 2012, at 3:11 AM, Krishsmalltalk wrote:
> 
>> Yes,
>> 
>> Do not emphasize on one or few keywords. Malleable is better than plastic 
>> (can be off putting for any environment conscious) 
>> 
>> Adopt the Pharo motto: 
>> 
>> "Pharo shall be one of the best enterprise platform in 3 years." 
> 
> 
> Isn't "Enterprise Plattform" another word for "boring and complicated" ??
> 
>    Marcus
> 
> 
> --
> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
> 
> 

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