On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:03 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote:
> Ok, thanks. > > I'll give it another shot then. I've no big problem grasping Metacello > concepts: I've modularized a 400 KSLOC Java source tree with Maven POM, > including parent POMs, > I know the effor for that, since I have also experiened quite large java projects with complex maven configurations. > Maven Proxy repository and associated visualizations. (Shameless plug: > http://philippeback.eu/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=3) > > well, not that much ;) btw... looks like you own a nice company :) > The key to all this is to invest time (lots) so that everything falls > together nicely (remove dupes, run a ton of tests etc). > > Exactlly. And it is not only to make it work, but you really need to understand the tool. For Maven I remember reading abook about it. For Metacello you can read the chapter we wrote with Stef. > Your imagebuilder idea provides an additional level: the ability to load > everything from start to finish in a starting point. This evokes make > clean; make; make install to me. Which is good: build everything in an > automated step. > Exactly. In my slides of the talk you can see my own motivations behind it: http://www.slideshare.net/MarianoMartinezPeck/building-you-own-images-with-metacello-smalltalks-2011 > > The Pharo team scores quite well on the Joel Test if you ask me: > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html > > Interesting. > Phil > > > > 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[email protected]> > >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, [email protected] >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-) >>> >>> >> Yes, I answerd it. But I think over another post (sorry, mistake) >> Here is the answer: >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-systembrowser/#comment-373 >> >> Cheers >> >> >>> >>> 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, [email protected] <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Not forgotten :-) >>>>> >>>>> BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I >>>> noticed Metacello is not ready for that :( >>>> See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html >>>> Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe >>>> we are lucky. >>>> >>>> >>>>> I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. >>>>> Which I failed to get so far. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gofer it >>>>>>> squeaksource: 'Spotlight'; >>>>>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight'; >>>>>>> load. >>>>>>> (ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> then, just press shift+enter :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Do not forget me ;) >>>>>> In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it >>>>>> from #cleanUpForProduction) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> , but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling >>>>>>> spotlight from macs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> best, >>>>>>> Esteban >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search >>>>>>> bar :-p >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, >>>>>>> could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll >>>>>>> down there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phil >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for >>>>>>>> plugins... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A few suggestions... >>>>>>>> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the >>>>>>>> convention is >>>>>>>> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should >>>>>>>> group >>>>>>>> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate >>>>>>>> packages >>>>>>>> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as >>>>>>>> soon as I >>>>>>>> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard >>>>>>>> focus >>>>>>>> anywhere useful. Options: >>>>>>>> - search bar >>>>>>>> - typing brings up the class search dialog >>>>>>>> - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the >>>>>>>> shortcuts right >>>>>>>> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options: >>>>>>>> - cmd-F to search packages >>>>>>>> - cmd-f to search classes >>>>>>>> - start typing to do a basic package search >>>>>>>> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the >>>>>>>> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code >>>>>>>> pane, >>>>>>>> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie >>>>>>>> because the >>>>>>>> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the >>>>>>>> template, >>>>>>>> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to >>>>>>>> double-click >>>>>>>> anyway. Two suggestions >>>>>>>> - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add >>>>>>>> method" menu >>>>>>>> item that transfers focus to the preselected template >>>>>>>> - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template >>>>>>>> * back/forward buttons for history navigation? >>>>>>>> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> View this message in context: >>>>>>>> http://forum.world.st/Nautilus-first-impression-tp4578301p4578301.html >>>>>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Philippe Back >>>>>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>>>>> [email protected] | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>>>>> http://philippeback.be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> High Octane SPRL >>>>>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>>>>> 1301 Bierges >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mariano >>>>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Philippe Back >>>>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>>>> >>>>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>>>> [email protected] | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>>>> http://philippeback.be >>>>> >>>>> High Octane SPRL >>>>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>>>> 1301 Bierges >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mariano >>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Philippe Back >>> "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >>> >>> Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >>> [email protected] | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >>> http://philippeback.be >>> >>> High Octane SPRL >>> rue cour Boisacq 101 >>> 1301 Bierges >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: [email protected]| > Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
