Hi Robert, My unground record has the brown paper on it that the paper labels were glued to and says Your're More Than a Pal. Jim Doherty on one side and Bury Me Beneath the Willow Stoneman on the other side in a thick ink. I believe mine was a factory reject. Was you record going to be a paper label one or an etched label one? To the best of my knowledge the ones that were going to be paper labels have the brown paper that the label was glued to, does yours have this or it is smooth condensite? Steve
> Steve:> > Yes, all 5 of the "unground edge" discs here have etched > labels of > > the> > two later patterns, and none of them have the same > selection on both > > sides.> > Judging the various sides is naturally > subjective - after all, a > > particular> > side might simply be less worn > than its inverse. But it seems to me that > > a> > couple of the discs have > smoother surfaces on one side and slightly less > > surface> > noise, as > though the finish is thicker.> > According to Ray Wile's "Edison Disc > Recordings," at least two of> > these discs were used for Tone Test > demonstrations (I haven't checked the > > other> > three).> >> > George > Paul> > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing > list> > [email protected]> >> > Phono-L Archive> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> >> > Support Phono-L> > > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank> > > > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> > [email protected]> > Phono-L Archive> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org/archive/> > Support Phono-L> > http://www.cafepress.com/oldcrank From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 16:21:43 2006 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:54 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing Message-ID: <[email protected]> George Paul, I really appreciate your post as I never knew that there were different types of unground records. I also appreciate the answer about the sound, I read that tone test records got extra condensite to reduce the surface noise, now I know it did. I am always appreciative that you share your knowledge, thanks so much. Steve > Steve:> Yes, all 5 of the "unground edge" discs here have etched > labels of the > two later patterns, and none of them have the same selection > on both sides. > Judging the various sides is naturally subjective - after > all, a particular > side might simply be less worn than its inverse. But it > seems to me that a > couple of the discs have smoother surfaces on one side > and slightly less surface > noise, as though the finish is thicker. > > According to Ray Wile's "Edison Disc Recordings," at least two of > these > discs were used for Tone Test demonstrations (I haven't checked the other > > three).> > George Paul> _______________________________________________> From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 16:34:18 2006 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:54 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison's Son Not a Chip off the Old Block..Subjectwas RE: Phono-L and Censorship Message-ID: <[email protected]> Even on my parents 1970 stereo they sounded good (in 1985), but on the type of equipment below it is amazing how much sound is available. Steve Hi Doug.If you have a modern turntable with a lateral/vertical switch "Expert Stylus" in England makes a great .0037" full conical stylus that really works! It's made just for diamond discs.If you need more info. on it,feel free to drop me a line.Charlie.> From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 17:12:05 2006 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:54 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Some 'interesting' Victor 10 inch 78's? Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hi David, Red seal Victrola labels were the more expensive records at the time. They were one sided until 1923 when a second side was added. Some have blank sides, some have ornate designs on the blank side, it was Victors way of getting more money and maintaining the prestige of this series. The Caruso records are good, my favorite is Dreams of Long Ago which was sung in English. Many record companies had foreign series.Corrections are welcome. Steve >> A few have red Victor labels. What surprised me is that they only > have a >> groove on one side. What's the history behind that?> > 2 of them are::> > >> #64120: 'I Hear You Calling Me' , singer John McCormack.> #87243: 'O sole >> mio', singer Enrico Caruso. (that seems to be a nice > find, is it?)> > > >> Then there's a double-sided record, again Victor red label, with a > 'Red >> Seal Record' designation:> #1701-A, and 1701-B on the other side.> Roumanian >> Rhapsody #1, Part 1 on one side and Part 2 one the other.> > > One is a >> BLACK Victor label, which has Hebrew on it in addition to > English.> >> #17771-A: 'Birchos Kahanim', Labeled as 'Hebrew Cantor with Choir'. > >> Cantor G. Sirota plus choir> #17771-B: 'Aw Horachmim', Labeled as 'Hebrew >> Cantor with organ,' > Cantor G. Sirota.> > I presume there was a series of >> these types for different religions?> > Thanks for any information.> > >> David> > David Barnett [email protected]> >> 516-767-0675 www.FairLibertysCall.com> > > From [email protected] Tue Sep 19 17:29:49 2006 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:54 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Edison 50741 test pressing Message-ID: <[email protected]> Robert: Since your pressing has no label of any kind, I'd presume that it was a test pressing rather than a reject; a rejected regular pressing would have a label. I'm really not making any blanket assertions as to Tone Test disc characteristics. After April 1921 I'd presume that Tone Test records would have paper labels like the rest. I noticed nothing unusual about my discs except the unground edges. I don't know for sure if any Tone Test records were made up with the same selection on both sides, but such a configuration would make more sense for a test record - used to determine which take was preferable. What little I THINK I know about Tone Test records has been learned in the Wile book and Ron Dethlefson's books and my own limited observations. I haven't seen anything written about them elsewhere. George Paul
