Hi All
  Here is a link to two photos. Horn A is mine, Horn B is on sale by Marty 
Roenigk. Not the difference - his has staves without the patched in areas that 
are evident on mine. SO I take it that those long triangular areas on mine 
(horn A) ARE repairs, correct???
  http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Oak%20Horn/
  Thanks!!!
  John
   
From [email protected]  Wed Jul 11 09:11:43 2007
From: [email protected] (Andrew Baron)
Date: Wed Jul 11 09:14:15 2007
Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Smooth oak horn question - sort of urgent
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Interesting for me also to learn about the triangular sections being  
apparently correct.  Educational but at the same time not nearly as  
annoying as it would otherwise be.  The different grade horns must  
have had different manufacturing standards, engineered to meet the  
original manufacturing cost in relation to the retail price point.

I don't mind 'flaws' at all, if they are normal to the original  
manufacturing of the item.  Over all, this appears to be a horn that  
makes a decent presentation, and I think if I were in your position  
I'd keep it as well.  Sometimes when making such a decision I ask  
myself how likely it is that the item could be duplicated at the same  
price, and if the answer is "not easily", then I have no qualms about  
keeping it.  With relatively few made to begin with, and far fewer  
survivors than metal horns, percentage-wise, I figure any wood horn  
that's solid and complete is a good thing to have.  I have only one,  
which is a Columbia #2, similar to the Victor spear-point, and  
original to the machine it's on.  I was thrilled to add it to the  
collection five years ago, and it gives me just as much satisfaction  
today as it did then.

Andy



On Jul 11, 2007, at 9:15 AM, john robles wrote:

> This is true. I hrad back from the seller who apologized for the  
> misunderstanding and said he would be happy to refund my purchase  
> price. Nice to know there are some people on ebay who stand behind  
> their auctions.
>   The jury is still out though, as some have told me that where I  
> thought there were repairs done, there actually weren't and that  
> those patched in triangles aren't repairs at all...if that is the  
> case I will keep it as I have no other wood horns, nor have I ever  
> had any. This is my first.
>   John
>
> Andrew Baron <[email protected]> wrote:
>   If the repairs could be made for $400 properly, that is to say, so
> you REALLY can't see them in the final, you still have the task ahead
> of you along with its attendant worries about how well it's being
> done and whether you'll be happy with the end result.
> Psychologically, the disappointment inerent in your first impression
> might also linger, especially if the reworking doesn't erase all
> evidence of what visibly triggered your disappointment. This pretty
> much applies whether you're paying someone else to do the work or if
> you're painstakingly doing it yourself. Either way it's time and
> energy spent.
>
> If you already have a better Victor wood horn, there doesn't seem to
> be much reason to keep an inferior one, unless in the end this one
> serves you OK at the price paid. About a year ago, a friend of mine
> bought a Columbia wood horn from eBay, which was relatively
> presentable but not great with some trouble areas not well
> represented, but he was excited about it because the price was right
> and he didnt' have any other wood horns. Ultimatlely, he may upgrade
> it but he's enjoying it as is, more than the near-perfect metal horn
> it replaced.
>
> Just my two cents worth. It boils down to the collective effort of
> having it the way you want it, combined with how you'll feel about it
> in the end.
>
> Andy Baron
>
> On Jul 10, 2007, at 4:23 PM,
> wrote:
>
>> That's one opinion of course. You did get the horn at a good price
>> ($695) which is well below what better condition horns are going
>> for. Even if you spend $400 to get it repaired properly, which you
>> will need to do, you still will not have too bad of a deal. His
>> description is incorrect and misleading, as Walt says, but he does
>> say in addition "Also a few seams reglued" which is correct.
>> Almost all wood horns on eBay have defects or damage of some kind,
>> and they seem to be going for well over $1,000 anyway. Find out
>> what an expert will charge to do the repairs before sending it
>> back. That's my opinion.
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