I'm at the show and word here is that the pre show was poorly attended and many doubt it will occur again. As for the whole story I know a few things but not the while story. Isuspectvi know who is behind it but I'll leave that to those that can confirm things. I think darrells assessment is very thougtful and right on the money. The show should not have and does not deserve a second show as competition. It's upsurd. I love the union show and it was large and well attended this year. Lots of unsold good deals so far but I suspect last minute finished deals will happen Sunday.

Dan




On Jun 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Darrell Lehman <[email protected]> wrote:

I DON'T KNOW THE FACTS -

but if it's what it sounded like, the two individuals mentioned don't just own a home down the street - they wouldn't be anywhere near where they are today if it weren't for Union. And to attempt to suck off the cream a day in advance is simply done out of selfishness and greed. If it's such a pure entrepreneurial effort, do it the same day!

Does anybody know who's behind the "church gathering"? Is this the event we're discussing?

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[email protected] wrote:
What if I owned a home right down the street from the Union show and wanted to have my big yard sale that day, and sell some phonographs and records out of my collection, and invited some friends who were visiting Union from out of Town to join me. Would you consider that ripping off the Donley"s ? My little yard sale of phono stuff is certainly not going to keep collectors from visiting the Union show and paying their admission charge. This sort of thing happens everywhere. Up here in the northeast we have the Giant Flea Market in Brimfield every year just north of Sturbridge, and for a wholeweek the locals have their little offshoots of the giant flea market at homes and fields and and whatever open space there is throughout the area, but it certainly doesn't keep people from visiting the big Brimfield event. It is just part of the free enterprise system. Sure these folks are feeding off of the big event, but that is life. No one has a monopoly on free enterprise and the
en
treprenerial spirit. There aren't cops out there, taking down license numbers and checking folks out like the FBI and passing names along so they can be blackballed by the owners of the big event.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell Lehman"<[email protected]>
To: "Antique Phonograph List"<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:30:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union

"These folks" have spent 30+ years building Union from a couple circus tents to what it is today. They've served the sellers magnificently and have every right to preserve the integrity of the show for the buyers.
To start something extra the day before the "main event" is selfish,
greedy AND unethical! And ANYONE who does so should be blackballed by
the Donley's as well as by sellers and buyers!! If another show is
needed, do it the week-end before or after and let the public decide -
don't rip-off somebody elses efforts.

best, Darrell
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[email protected] wrote:

So it appears these folks want to be the only game in town? and are blackballing anyone who dares to start there own little trading and selling station, even when it is seperate and apart from their own operation ? That is highly unethical and down right arrogant. Of course this could merely be one of those rumors that gets going, based solely on hear say, and snowballs out of sight. So let's get all of the facts before we all jump on this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich"<[email protected]>
To: "Antique Phonograph List"<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:06:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union

That{But if they are at the Hess Gas Station down the Street, or have
rented some space at some ball field, then what's the problem ??
Certainly nothing wrong with that. Why should someone claim a monopoly on the whole area just based on tradition.} was the question raised the
last time as I remember.

If you remember back several years there used to be an auction on
Thursday night and this issue did not really surface until the auction
went away.

[email protected] wrote:


I see. Certainly if some folks are using the parking lot, that would be a problem. But if they are at the Hess Gas Station down the Street, or have rented some space at some ball field, then what's the problem ?? Certainly nothing wrong with that. Why should someone claim a monopoly on the whole area just based on tradition.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich"<[email protected]>
To: "Antique Phonograph List"<[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:14:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Phono-L] union

There has been an issue with trading in the parking lot on the Thursday before the show in the past. That has expanded to exhibitors trading
just about anywhere on Thursday if its officially organized.

I am reasonably certain that there will be more info flowing forth on
this topic.

[email protected] wrote:


Sounds kind of crazy !! Is there something illegal or unethical about starting your own show, or offering some friendly competition. How bizarre !!
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 7:01:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Phono-L] union

hi all
i hear paul baker and kurt knauck were banned from union for setting up a
new show
has anyone heard of this too
paul tried this five years ago i know and had to apologize to the union
attendees
anyone else heard this
zono
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