I do not know if Edison sent the Phonographs to ICS in Scranton where they added the tag. I do know that ICS did ship things, ICS had their own wooden box they put the recorder in to protect it in shipment, I think. I have or had an original packing box where two blanks had been mailed from ICS. Edison may have assigned serial numbers to ICS. Edison made the model B C and D phonographs all at the same time so you see variety. The N reproducer first came out around serial number 22,000 below you will see the Model E was out by the 790,000 range so it looks like Edison made the ICS D after the E came out. You see a large number of ICS C standards. Edison never wasted so it seems to me when the D came out and there was little demand for the Standard C Edison sold them to ICS. The ICS Gems were two minute only, so I believe the four minute ICS blue amberols came out in 1915 when the ICS amberola 30 was introduced.
The ICS H was made in 1915 and later so the top is pot metal and says TAE Inc on it. They have their own serial numbers. From the examples I have seen the first ones have the serial number around the sound tube, A5083 is an example of this. The early B series B1708 and B1717 have the serial number by the lettering as does 4775. The later B series have stable pot metal and number like B2243 and B3123 around the sound tube. The weight is blank and the limit loop is much wider than the H. It weighs .8 of an ounce, the same as the early automatic weight. It was made to play records that were recorded with the 4 minute recorder as well as the ICS language records. The weight uses a pin to hold the stylus bar in place. On these the pin moves in the shoulders and is lightly press fitted into the hole in the stylus bar. 4775 with the serial number by the letters appears to be in good shape and is for sale on eBay now so it appears there was the regular no letter serial number which I assume came first. The small tops aside from the ICS H shared serial numbers so you can have an idea of when a reproducer was made, but Edison used parts when he found them so you can have a later phonograph or reproducer with earlier parts. Because there are no definite cut offs Edison is more interesting, but harder to figure out. The ICS 30 was sold with a four minute recorder and the special ICS H with the special reducer ring. If the purchaser was interested he could buy a diamond C reproducer for the machine. If anyone has a Standard E with a reproducer in the 20,000's I would be interested in the serial numbers. Round weight N 33030 is on Standard E 795363 Round weight N 36087 on Standard E 794228 Trowel N 46911 on Standard E 800257 Trowel N 46795 on Standard E 803033 Trowel N 47875 on Standard E 800786 Trowel N 49430 on Standard E 804395 > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:43:12 -0800 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C > > Did these ship in the ICS config from the Edison factory, or were the > repeater bits and ID tags added by others? If the latter, the s/n would just > be part of the normal sequence, right? If the ICS people bought them in bulk > there might be blocks of s/n's that are all ICS... > > Hmmm. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- Peter > [email protected] > > On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above > > 790000. Am I correct? > > That is a clean original horn also. That was a great machine to start your > > collection. > > > > Regards, > > > > Al > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Colgrove <[email protected]> > > To: phono-l <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2012 8:47 am > > Subject: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C > > > > > > Hi Steve and Al, > > I’ve seen an ICS Standard D...it’s in my hallway! > > http://www.montanaphonograph.com/gallery/EdStdD.html > > This was the beast that caused my phono-collecting disease. It was the > > first > > ylinder player I ever saw and the first purchased. > > Regards, > > cott > > ______________________________________________ > > hono-L mailing list > > ttp://phono-l.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
