I have a lot of data on Edison's that I didn't have when George and I did the first cylinder phonographs book. Now I have a ton of data showing things that happened affecting production nuances. The Edison Standards ended production with a serial just above 820000. Virtually all of the last machines are ICS tagged and equipped D Models that have no 4 minute gears. On rare occasions a Model E Standard will be seen with the E X'd out and a C stamped in, again it is only a 2 minute player. These machines do appear in blocks of serials. I feel these were done at the Edison factory since the machines were sent out with only 2 minute capability so as not to compete with Edison's normal product line.
Whenever I see an ICS late production machine labeled C or D that plays 4 minute records my suspicions are raised that someone has transplanted the gears. That is the problem with Edison machines having so many interchangeable parts going through so many hands for the last 100 years. I know of two California repair persons who 'brought them up to date' with dual speed gears, Pollard and Frick. This was in the 1950s and 1960s. The ICS machines usually were in pristine shape with very little usage and the donor machines were D or F junkers. I just thought of a third California dealer who did that too... The Edison Wrecking Yard, a.k.a. Neumann Miller. The Triumph Model G had both gear sets for 2 and 4 minute operation but had an easily removal shim washer that locked the planetary out into the 4 minute position. One must remember that the Model G Triumph production numbers are very likely less than 100 machines and the serials are intermixed with the Model F. Therefore, could a Model F have been mislabeled and sent out, with Edison that is a safe bet ! ! ! As production ended even the Triumph machines were not given the close scrutiny of earlier times. Regards, Al -----Original Message----- From: Steven Medved <[email protected]> To: phono-l <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 11:38 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above 90000. Am I correct?” f course you are correct! Serial number: 820852 hat made you think it would be above 790000? Have you seen or heard of other /4 minute D ICS Standards? THAT IS BECAUSE AL KNOWS HIS EDISON PHONOGRAPHS ETTER THAN I KNOW MY REPRODUCERS. teve, the machine only came with the H reproducer (sn #A679790), recording tube nd horn. No recorder or “C” reproducer. egards, cott SCOTT, THANKS, HE H REPRODUCER WAS FROM AFTER JULY 1909 AS THE FIRST K WAS AROUND A582,000. T APPEARS EDISON ASSIGNED SERIAL NUMBER BLOCKS TO THE SMALL TOP REPRODUCERS AS OME D MACHINES HAVE A SPREAD ON THE C AND H REPRODUCERS. I APPRECIATE KNOWING HE MACHINE PLAYS IN 4 MINUTE, IT APPEARS IT WAS USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT YLINDERS. EDISON HAS SO MUCH VARIETY, ONE OF THE TRIUMPH MODEL G'S THAT WAS UPPOSED TO BE 4 MINUTE ONLY PLAYS IN BOTH. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LEARN ABOUT DISON THERE IS ALWAYS MORE. STEVE M ______________________________________________ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
