A Model F mislabeled and sent out, with Edison that is a safe bet ! ! ! Hello
Al, Edison mistakes are very interesting. I have seen a Standard Model E with
a combination ID plate, they used a D ID plate, it is stamped E with the serial
number of the Standard E 794424 and the reproducer is N 36793. This standard
E is four minute only. The machine that is most interesting is a Standard D
that came with the painted pin striping in a Model B case. The serial number
is 624172 without a D at the end. It looks just like a B except for the D
gearing and no endgate. I have seen photos of a Gem D with the old GEM decal on
the front of the machine.
Bob told me he saw a raised panel triumph that the raised panel was not
parallel to the wood bedplate, it was crooked. Thanks for your info. Steve >
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> From: [email protected]
> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:57:51 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
>
>
> I have a lot of data on Edison's that I didn't have when George and I did the
> first cylinder phonographs book. Now I have a ton of data showing things
> that happened affecting production nuances. The Edison Standards ended
> production with a serial just above 820000. Virtually all of the last
> machines are ICS tagged and equipped D Models that have no 4 minute gears.
> On rare occasions a Model E Standard will be seen with the E X'd out and a C
> stamped in, again it is only a 2 minute player. These machines do appear in
> blocks of serials. I feel these were done at the Edison factory since the
> machines were sent out with only 2 minute capability so as not to compete
> with Edison's normal product line.
>
> Whenever I see an ICS late production machine labeled C or D that plays 4
> minute records my suspicions are raised that someone has transplanted the
> gears. That is the problem with Edison machines having so many
> interchangeable parts going through so many hands for the last 100 years. I
> know of two California repair persons who 'brought them up to date' with dual
> speed gears, Pollard and Frick. This was in the 1950s and 1960s. The ICS
> machines usually were in pristine shape with very little usage and the donor
> machines were D or F junkers. I just thought of a third California dealer
> who did that too... The Edison Wrecking Yard, a.k.a. Neumann Miller.
>
> The Triumph Model G had both gear sets for 2 and 4 minute operation but had
> an easily removal shim washer that locked the planetary out into the 4 minute
> position. One must remember that the Model G Triumph production numbers are
> very likely less than 100 machines and the serials are intermixed with the
> Model F. Therefore, could a Model F have been mislabeled and sent out, with
> Edison that is a safe bet ! ! ! As production ended even the Triumph
> machines were not given the close scrutiny of earlier times.
>
> Regards,
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Medved <[email protected]>
> To: phono-l <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 11:38 am
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] What is the price range for the ICS Standard C
>
>
>
> Nice machine Scott, what is the serial number? I would bet it is up above
> 90000. Am I correct?”
>
> f course you are correct! Serial number: 820852
>
> hat made you think it would be above 790000? Have you seen or heard of other
> /4 minute D ICS Standards? THAT IS BECAUSE AL KNOWS HIS EDISON PHONOGRAPHS
> ETTER THAN I KNOW MY REPRODUCERS.
>
> teve, the machine only came with the H reproducer (sn #A679790), recording
> tube
> nd horn. No recorder or “C” reproducer.
>
> egards,
> cott SCOTT, THANKS,
> HE H REPRODUCER WAS FROM AFTER JULY 1909 AS THE FIRST K WAS AROUND A582,000.
> T APPEARS EDISON ASSIGNED SERIAL NUMBER BLOCKS TO THE SMALL TOP REPRODUCERS
> AS
> OME D MACHINES HAVE A SPREAD ON THE C AND H REPRODUCERS. I APPRECIATE
> KNOWING
> HE MACHINE PLAYS IN 4 MINUTE, IT APPEARS IT WAS USED FOR ENTERTAINMENT
> YLINDERS. EDISON HAS SO MUCH VARIETY, ONE OF THE TRIUMPH MODEL G'S THAT WAS
> UPPOSED TO BE 4 MINUTE ONLY PLAYS IN BOTH. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU LEARN
> ABOUT
> DISON THERE IS ALWAYS MORE. STEVE M
>
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