I've never thought that "In the Groove" meant anything specific about our 
hobby, and is not a good way to recruit members.  For instance, use Google to 
search for "The Antique Phonograph", and you get our website on the 1st page of 
results.  If you do a Google search on "In the Groove", you don't get a hit 
until the 9th PAGE of results (long after most people would give up).

Jim Nichol

On Jul 11, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Paul Christenzen <[email protected]> wrote:

> Disagree!!! Nothing wrong with a good cliche (IF it even is one), 
> historically significant, recognized world-wide and makes a good acronym.
> 
> Paul Christenzen, simple-minded collector
> 
> 
> Bruce wrote:
>> OK, I'll step up to be the first person to disagree with Steve.
>> 
>> When the improvements were being made to the former CAPS publication, "The
>> Sound Box", concurrent with the name change to the organization, we wanted a
>> name for the publication that would speak to the stature of its quality.
>> Names like "The Sound Box" seemed too much like a cliché that fell far short
>> of the quality of the product. "In the Groove" as a publication name,
>> regardless of its age, falls short as well.
>> 
>> Bruce Peterson - former CAPS/APS president
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>> Behalf Of Melissa Ricci
>> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:26 AM
>> To: Antique Phonograph List
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and
>> successorpublication name
>> 
>> Well said, Steve! I agree 100%
>> 
>> Melissa
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>>  From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:37 AM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successor publication
>> name
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am posting this to both Phonolist and Phono-L -- the two  listserves I
>> subscribe to.
>> Those of you who belong to the Antique Phonograph Sovciety  (formerly known
>> as the Calif. APS) should have received a letter in the mail  this week (or
>> will shortly -- mine came yesterday) detailing the proposed  merger of the
>> APS with MAPS effective January 1, 2014, (I'm guessing MAPS  members will
>> get
>> something soon.). I was told that there was a preliminary  meeting of
>> members held at the Union show lat month, though no mention was  made in any
>> 
>> reports of the show on either of these lists. So the mailing from  CAPS was
>> the
>> first formal document I saw.
>> As outlined in the letter, the two organizations are often  serving the
>> same group with  160  members (of MAPS' 607 and APS's 400 members belonging
>> to
>> both. Economically it  makes sense because postage to mail each society's
>> magazine/journal is the  biggest cost. By combining memberships, there would
>> 
>> be one dues and this might  attract more members. (Side note here: Every
>> person on these newsgroups should  belong to at least one of these
>> organizations to support the  hobby.).
>> The plan is to take the best of both magazines and combine into  one.
>> Currently APS's magazine focuses on pre-electric phonographs and and some
>> recordings -- mostly pre-1910 -- while ITG (MAPs' magazine) covers recording
>> artists as well as reissues of pre-Lp era recordings.  (As most of you know,
>> I
>> have  contributed a monthly -- now bi-monthly -- column, "Anything
>> Phonographic"
>> to  ITG for over 20 years , not missing one issue  yet!).
>> I definitely support the merger if it will mean continuing the  great
>> volunteer work done by the Boards and contributors of both  organizations.
>> But --
>> as I wrote in a letter to both boards yesterday -- I feel  that the proposal
>> to make the name of the new society's publication -- which  would be
>> published quarterly with more yearly pages than either has now -- "The
>> Antique
>> Phonograph" is not a good move. Personally I do not feel that it  reflects
>> the
>> contents if, in fact, the content will be similar to that in the  current
>> ITG. "In The Groove" was named 30 years ago by John Whitacre and I  have
>> worked with all four of its Editors during that time. It was chosen  because
>> it
>> reflected phonographs (I don't call them "antique phonographs"  because RCA
>> 45 players from the 1950s are now considered "antiques") and  records. It
>> was a "brand" that no one was using and has a history. The name  "The
>> Antique Phonograph" would imply that the publication was only for  "machine
>> collectors". I know some of you -- and many who write me about my  column --
>> may
>> only have one or two windups but love old records and play them
>> electrically or buy reissues on CDs.
>> The reason for this (rather lengthy post) is to say that I plan  to vote
>> for the merger (the ballots are due by August 7th and I'll  be on vacation
>> for
>> a short time before then ) but I am planning to note that,  as a member, I
>> feel the surviving magazine should be named "In The Groove" ,  maintaining
>> its 30 year history. (BTW, RCA has an consumer newsletter covering  their
>> phonographs and records in the 1940s with the same name!). I encourage  you
>> to
>> cast your vote to support the boards, but, if you feel as strongly  about
>> the change of the magazine's name as I do, I urge you to contact the
>> combined Board Members of both organizations and let them know your
>> preferences,
>> WHATEVER they may be.
>> Steve Ramm
>> (Member of MAPS, APS and  ARSC)
>> 
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