Any name probably beats "Pumpkin Center Quarterly"...  ☺

> From: b...@taney.com
> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:06:47 -0500
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and    
> successorpublication name
> 
> I agree, 'In The Groove' always seemed like a upbeat and positive name. It's 
> not stuffy or too academic and conveys that it's about records, music and 
> phonographs.
> Bill
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Jul 11, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Melissa Ricci <riccib...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Just my humble opinion, but I have always liked the name "In the Groove" 
> > and will be sorry to see it go if it is voted down. I also really like the 
> > current format and design of the publication. I hope that will not change.
> > Melissa 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Peter Fraser <pjfra...@mac.com>
> > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
> > Cc: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org> 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and 
> > successorpublication name
> > 
> > 
> > If it's to be considered a new organization, I'd imagine it makes sense to 
> > give it a new name, let's say something like the American Antique 
> > Phonograph Society, just for talking purposes.
> > 
> > Then it's a no-brainer to name the periodical "The AAPS Journal."
> > 
> > As others have said, keeping things simple is usually a good strategy. And 
> > you're not pointing the emphasis towards machines or records, if that 
> > matters - although the record people have their own clubs and journals, 
> > right?  I guess the two phono clubs are mostly hardware related, but also 
> > naturally with coverage of the media we play on that hardware - but still 
> > coming from the machine standpoint overall. 
> > 
> > "In The Groove" was always sort of non-descriptive and hackneyed in my 
> > (likely insignificant) opinion, although I can see how it would have 
> > sentimental value for some. I used to belong to MAPS in order to receive 
> > it, but dropped out when its quality declined a few years back.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > -- Peter
> > pjfra...@mac.com
> > 
> >> On Jul 11, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Paul Christenzen <pic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Disagree!!! Nothing wrong with a good cliche (IF it even is one), 
> >> historically significant, recognized world-wide and makes a good acronym.
> >> 
> >> Paul Christenzen, simple-minded collector
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >>> OK, I'll step up to be the first person to disagree with Steve.
> >>> 
> >>> When the improvements were being made to the former CAPS publication, "The
> >>> Sound Box", concurrent with the name change to the organization, we 
> >>> wanted a
> >>> name for the publication that would speak to the stature of its quality.
> >>> Names like "The Sound Box" seemed too much like a cliché that fell far 
> >>> short
> >>> of the quality of the product. "In the Groove" as a publication name,
> >>> regardless of its age, falls short as well.
> >>> 
> >>> Bruce Peterson - former CAPS/APS president
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] 
> >>> On
> >>> Behalf Of Melissa Ricci
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:26 AM
> >>> To: Antique Phonograph List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and
> >>> successorpublication name
> >>> 
> >>> Well said, Steve! I agree 100%
> >>> 
> >>> Melissa
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>   From: "srsel...@aol.com" <srsel...@aol.com>
> >>> To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:37 AM
> >>> Subject: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successor 
> >>> publication
> >>> name
> >>>   
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> I am posting this to both Phonolist and Phono-L -- the two  listserves I
> >>> subscribe to.
> >>> Those of you who belong to the Antique Phonograph Sovciety  (formerly 
> >>> known
> >>> as the Calif. APS) should have received a letter in the mail  this week 
> >>> (or
> >>> will shortly -- mine came yesterday) detailing the proposed  merger of the
> >>> APS with MAPS effective January 1, 2014, (I'm guessing MAPS  members will
> >>> get
> >>> something soon.). I was told that there was a preliminary  meeting of
> >>> members held at the Union show lat month, though no mention was  made in 
> >>> any
> >>> 
> >>> reports of the show on either of these lists. So the mailing from  CAPS 
> >>> was
> >>> the
> >>> first formal document I saw.
> >>> As outlined in the letter, the two organizations are often  serving the
> >>> same group with  160  members (of MAPS' 607 and APS's 400 members 
> >>> belonging
> >>> to
> >>> both. Economically it  makes sense because postage to mail each society's
> >>> magazine/journal is the  biggest cost. By combining memberships, there 
> >>> would
> >>> 
> >>> be one dues and this might  attract more members. (Side note here: Every
> >>> person on these newsgroups should  belong to at least one of these
> >>> organizations to support the  hobby.).
> >>> The plan is to take the best of both magazines and combine into  one.
> >>> Currently APS's magazine focuses on pre-electric phonographs and and some
> >>> recordings -- mostly pre-1910 -- while ITG (MAPs' magazine) covers 
> >>> recording
> >>> artists as well as reissues of pre-Lp era recordings.  (As most of you 
> >>> know,
> >>> I
> >>> have  contributed a monthly -- now bi-monthly -- column, "Anything
> >>> Phonographic"
> >>> to  ITG for over 20 years , not missing one issue  yet!).
> >>> I definitely support the merger if it will mean continuing the  great
> >>> volunteer work done by the Boards and contributors of both  organizations.
> >>> But --
> >>> as I wrote in a letter to both boards yesterday -- I feel  that the 
> >>> proposal
> >>> to make the name of the new society's publication -- which  would be
> >>> published quarterly with more yearly pages than either has now -- "The
> >>> Antique
> >>> Phonograph" is not a good move. Personally I do not feel that it  reflects
> >>> the
> >>> contents if, in fact, the content will be similar to that in the  current
> >>> ITG. "In The Groove" was named 30 years ago by John Whitacre and I  have
> >>> worked with all four of its Editors during that time. It was chosen  
> >>> because
> >>> it
> >>> reflected phonographs (I don't call them "antique phonographs"  because 
> >>> RCA
> >>> 45 players from the 1950s are now considered "antiques") and  records. It
> >>> was a "brand" that no one was using and has a history. The name  "The
> >>> Antique Phonograph" would imply that the publication was only for  
> >>> "machine
> >>> collectors". I know some of you -- and many who write me about my  column 
> >>> --
> >>> may
> >>> only have one or two windups but love old records and play them
> >>> electrically or buy reissues on CDs.
> >>> The reason for this (rather lengthy post) is to say that I plan  to vote
> >>> for the merger (the ballots are due by August 7th and I'll  be on vacation
> >>> for
> >>> a short time before then ) but I am planning to note that,  as a member, I
> >>> feel the surviving magazine should be named "In The Groove" ,  maintaining
> >>> its 30 year history. (BTW, RCA has an consumer newsletter covering  their
> >>> phonographs and records in the 1940s with the same name!). I encourage  
> >>> you
> >>> to
> >>> cast your vote to support the boards, but, if you feel as strongly  about
> >>> the change of the magazine's name as I do, I urge you to contact the
> >>> combined Board Members of both organizations and let them know your
> >>> preferences,
> >>> WHATEVER they may be.
> >>> Steve Ramm
> >>> (Member of MAPS, APS and  ARSC)
> >>> 
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