I second PB Blaster enthusiastically.  It helps with this greatly.  Just
beware the scent (which the manufacturers themselves warn you about, ha
ha).

Arvin in MA



On 8/29/13 7:13 PM, "Andrew Baron" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Regarding the turntable liberation, I've found that the product PB
>Blaster works much more effectively than Liquid Wrench or WD40.  Any will
>stain the felt but might be cleaned with a solvent afterward.
>
>A soak over night can work wonders, and then the turntable should be
>leveraged upward by placing the fingers of each hand under the rim at 9
>and 3 o'clock and exerting upward force.  Based on the rust I see in the
>photos, this still might need more help, so WHILE exerting a firm and
>steady upward force with both hands (good thing there's two of you), give
>the top of the spindle a sharp tap with a hammer.  It may take a few
>tries, but be sure that the penetrating oil has had a chance to do its
>job, and it's best to use a hard plastic mallet to avoid deforming the
>spindle top, or taking other precautions.
>
>Wedges can also be used in lieu of fingers, if applied simultaneously and
>exactly opposite each other -- beware that you can bend the spindle if
>you're not careful, even if using only your hands.
>
>Good luck.
>
>Andrew Baron
>Santa Fe
>
>On Aug 29, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote:
>
>> Hi Harvey,
>> 
>> Thanks for your insight! Nick is trying to get the turntable off as we
>>speak to check for those extra holes. It is rusted on tight and it has
>>been a long day today so we may wait til the weekend to actually get it
>>off. He says he can see under the turntable and that there do not appear
>>to be any extra holes just the three screws holding the motor on.
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> Melissa 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: harvey kravitz <[email protected]>
>> To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
>> 
>> 
>> From what I can see the parts are from a later Victor III. The cabinet
>>looks old and original, but not to a Victor III. Did you take off the
>>turn table to see if there were multiple holes in the motor board? If
>>so, that would mean a swapped motor. If not, the cabinet can be new old
>>stock that was modified by the original owner, a dealer, or a handyman.
>>If there are no extra holes in the cabinet, I would strip and refinish
>>it. It would be a very unique machine.
>> Harvey Kravitz
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Melissa Ricci <[email protected]>
>> To: Phono-l <[email protected]>; "[email protected]"
>><[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 2:34 PM
>> Subject: [Phono-L] Mystery Phono! Vic 3 or Frankenphone?
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Last night, Nick an I won an interesting phonograph at a local junk
>>auction. Someone has spray painted the entire cabinet gold...inside and
>>out! The double spring motor looks to be from a Victor III, the
>>turntable and the upper works appear to be from a Victor III and it came
>>with a ID plate (tacked inside the cabinet) that indicates it is indeed
>>a Victor III. It also came with a nice original wood horn.
>> 
>> The problem is, we have never seen a Victor cabinet with this design
>>before. After quite a bit of research, we found that the Vic III came in
>>two cabinet types and neither of them match this one, not even close! We
>>own a late style Victor III to compare it to and it is definitely not
>>the same. Strange. The wood under the terrible gold paint looks old and
>>the back bracket looks to be correct. So we need to find out, is this a
>>Frankenphone made up of Victor III parts with a handmade cabinet or a
>>cabinet from a different machine? I was unable to find any cabinets with
>>the kind of moldings this one has. Here are a few links to pictures we
>>just took. 
>> 
>> Any ideas are greatly appreciated!
>> 
>> 
>>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970
>>1.jpg.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970
>>2.jpg.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970
>>3.jpg.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970
>>4.jpg.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970
>>5.jpg.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>http://s81.photobucket.com/user/musicalpets/media/Mystery%20Phono/DSC0970
>>6.jpg.html
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Melissa
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