Actually I get better paid for doing Windows NT - ASP stuff! :)
md wrote:
> Hello Delphi programmer!
>
> Here is a description of the wonderful world of Delphi....
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> An exception has occurred at 0x333F248A in Kernel32.DLL.
>
> YOURAPP.EXE has caused a general fault.
>
> Would you like to continue? YES or NO
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Logical questions to the complement the above win32 problem follow...
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question during
> normal business hours? YES or NO
>
> Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question after
> normal business hours? YES or NO
>
> Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question on the
> weekend? YES or NO
>
> Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question during the
> holiday? YES or NO
>
> Does your customer know what a general fault is? YES or NO
>
> Does your customer feel motivated to write you a check to pay for
> services rendered
> after receiving a general fault is? YES or NO
>
> Did you tell the customer that it would never happen again? YES or NO
>
> Were you able to capture a stack trace in TD32? YES or NO
>
> Were you able to capture a stack trace on a program that died yesterday?
> YES or NO
>
> Is TD32 an ultimately effective Borland debugger? YES or NO
>
> Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack 3 of Windows
> NT.4.0? YES or NO
> Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack 4 of Windows
> NT.4.0? YES or NO
> Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack X of Windows
> NT.4.0? YES or NO
>
> Does it help to rebuild the VCL with debug information including
> system.pas and sysutil.pas? YES or NO
>
> Does it help to rebuild the .ASM components of the VCL with debug
> information using TASM? YES OR NO
>
> Do you spend more time writing code than you do fretting about problems
> at the customer site? YES or NO
>
> Do you spend more time selling your product than engineering for
> different flavors of Win32? YES or NO
>
> Are you happy as a Delphi Programmer after your customer forgot about
> you? YES or NO
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Happy debugging!
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > I'm a pascal, delphi programmer so forget about c.
> >
> > Problem with the Win32 closed source thing you mentioned is that for this
> > particular problem:
> > win32/sendmail.c is not really a win32 problem but a php sendmail.c problem.
> >
> > A C problem in win32/sendmail.c is not win32 problem.
> >
> > So all you "PHP is better than ASP hypsters" get to work!
> > lol
> >
> > PHP is ok for some problem solving but obviously ASP is better than PHP in
> > the long run because of BETTER SUPPORT! :)
> >
> > At 01:42 AM 5/22/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Michael & Joel:
> > >
> > >Here is a rant for both of you.
> > >
> > >Joel, Win32 is buggy no matter what flavor and you cannot fix the
> > >problem or isolate problems
> > >because it is closed source. (I bet poorly written source at that - like
> > >MFC garbage)
> > >
> > >Linux has bugs, but you have the "opportunity" of fixing what you want
> > >to. Don't complain about
> > >the mail( ) bug, get off your duff and fix it. Or create a simple
> > >workaround and keep moving forward.
> > >Or hire those supposed win32 developers with your own funds and "do it
> > >right" according to your desires.
> > >
> > >Your mail rant does not even suggest you have tried fixing the bug. Not
> > >everything will be done for you. But the spirit
> > >of the open source community will at least offer ideas and advice on how
> > >to go about fixing it.
> > >
> > >Oops, I'm sorry, Win32 is closed source. Your problems will only get
> > >solved by sheer luck. And tons of trial and error.
> > >
> > >I believe that Win32 worshippers should be responsible for maintaining
> > >the port to Win32
> > >and that Unix (linux) oriented types should focus on nothing but unix
> > >and not waste
> > >time considering the portability to Win32. Let the Win32 types create an
> > >interface layer back
> > >to Win32 if they want PHP4.x badly enough.
> > >
> > >PHP is suffering time delays due to supporting Win32, it should support
> > >unix first, win32 as an after effort by
> > >a trailing Win32 team (which will never be able to keep up with true
> > >open source pace)
> > >
> > >Michael, since you hate all the aforementioned OS's, but each seems to
> > >have its usefulness in some fashion,
> > >what OS do you actually like?
> > >
> > >End of rant.
> > >
> > >Mark Diener
> > >a battle scarred Win32 soldier...
> > >who defected to linux...to allow the wounds to heal...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Michael Loftis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > win32 support is and always has been admittedly lacking. I personally
> > > don't
> > > > take it serious as a web serving platform, I have seen any number of sites
> > > > hit the wall hard when it comes to scaling with Win32 based
> > > platforms. It's
> > > > suitable for testing and development maybe but not deployment.
> > > >
> > > > PHP has made best-effort to port to a badly screwed up platform. If
> > > you have
> > > > a problem with the win32 port then work on it, submit patches. Thats
> > > how the
> > > > open source model works.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry that your experience with PHP has been less than ideal. I'm not
> > > an OS
> > > > bigot either, I freely hate Linux, and even BSD, Mac too, and Windows. I
> > > > believe though that each is right in certain areas.
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well I feel the need for another rant.
> > > > >
> > > > > <rant start>
> > > > >
> > > > > I reported several times about the bugs in the win32 mail() function.
> > > > > Over a year ago too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well it looks like all the response that was given to it was about in the
> > > > > nature of "don't know nothin about it 'cause I'm into linux".
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to port to Windows you could at least get some win32
> > > > > programmers to do it right.
> > > > >
> > > > > <rant over.>
> > > > >
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