Could we take this offline now already?
- Stig
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> Ummm, ALSO, actually, in defense of Delphi, while it's not perfect, I
> haven't seen any of those problems you listed below, so obviously "in
> my opinion", you're full of crap.
>
> Maybe you would have to be a hobbyist or wanna be lamer to get those
> kinds of errors!!
>
>
>
>
> md wrote:
>
> > Hello Delphi programmer!
> >
> > Here is a description of the wonderful world of Delphi....
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > An exception has occurred at 0x333F248A in Kernel32.DLL.
> >
> > YOURAPP.EXE has caused a general fault.
> >
> > Would you like to continue? YES or NO
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Logical questions to the complement the above win32 problem
> >follow...
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question during
> >normal business hours? YES or NO
> >
> > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question after
> >normal business hours? YES or NO
> >
> > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question on the
> >weekend? YES or NO
> >
> > Is your customer happy that they had to answer this question during
> >the holiday? YES or NO
> >
> > Does your customer know what a general fault is? YES or NO
> >
> > Does your customer feel motivated to write you a check to pay for
> >services rendered after receiving a general fault is? YES or NO
> >
> > Did you tell the customer that it would never happen again? YES or
> >NO
> >
> > Were you able to capture a stack trace in TD32? YES or NO
> >
> > Were you able to capture a stack trace on a program that died
> >yesterday? YES or NO
> >
> > Is TD32 an ultimately effective Borland debugger? YES or NO
> >
> > Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names for Service Pack 3 of
> >Windows NT.4.0? YES or NO Can TD32 accurately resolve symbol names
> >for Service Pack 4 of Windows NT.4.0? YES or NO Can TD32 accurately
> >resolve symbol names for Service Pack X of Windows NT.4.0? YES or NO
> >
> > Does it help to rebuild the VCL with debug information including
> >system.pas and sysutil.pas? YES or NO
> >
> > Does it help to rebuild the .ASM components of the VCL with debug
> >information using TASM? YES OR NO
> >
> > Do you spend more time writing code than you do fretting about
> >problems at the customer site? YES or NO
> >
> > Do you spend more time selling your product than engineering for
> >different flavors of Win32? YES or NO
> >
> > Are you happy as a Delphi Programmer after your customer forgot
> >about you? YES or NO
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Happy debugging!
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > I'm a pascal, delphi programmer so forget about c.
> > >
> > > Problem with the Win32 closed source thing you mentioned is that
> > >for this particular problem: win32/sendmail.c is not really a win32
> > >problem but a php sendmail.c problem.
> > >
> > > A C problem in win32/sendmail.c is not win32 problem.
> > >
> > > So all you "PHP is better than ASP hypsters" get to work! lol
> > >
> > > PHP is ok for some problem solving but obviously ASP is better
> > >than PHP in the long run because of BETTER SUPPORT! :)
> > >
> > > At 01:42 AM 5/22/01 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >Michael & Joel:
> > > >
> > > >Here is a rant for both of you.
> > > >
> > > >Joel, Win32 is buggy no matter what flavor and you cannot fix the
> > > >problem or isolate problems because it is closed source. (I bet
> > > >poorly written source at that - like MFC garbage)
> > > >
> > > >Linux has bugs, but you have the "opportunity" of fixing what you
> > > >want to. Don't complain about the mail( ) bug, get off your duff
> > > >and fix it. Or create a simple workaround and keep moving
> > > >forward. Or hire those supposed win32 developers with your own
> > > >funds and "do it right" according to your desires.
> > > >
> > > >Your mail rant does not even suggest you have tried fixing the
> > > >bug. Not everything will be done for you. But the spirit of the
> > > >open source community will at least offer ideas and advice on how
> > > >to go about fixing it.
> > > >
> > > >Oops, I'm sorry, Win32 is closed source. Your problems will only
> > > >get solved by sheer luck. And tons of trial and error.
> > > >
> > > >I believe that Win32 worshippers should be responsible for
> > > >maintaining the port to Win32 and that Unix (linux) oriented
> > > >types should focus on nothing but unix and not waste time
> > > >considering the portability to Win32. Let the Win32 types create
> > > >an interface layer back to Win32 if they want PHP4.x badly
> > > >enough.
> > > >
> > > >PHP is suffering time delays due to supporting Win32, it should
> > > >support unix first, win32 as an after effort by a trailing Win32
> > > >team (which will never be able to keep up with true open source
> > > >pace)
> > > >
> > > >Michael, since you hate all the aforementioned OS's, but each
> > > >seems to have its usefulness in some fashion, what OS do you
> > > >actually like?
> > > >
> > > >End of rant.
> > > >
> > > >Mark Diener a battle scarred Win32 soldier... who defected to
> > > >linux...to allow the wounds to heal...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Michael Loftis wrote:
> > > > > win32 support is and always has been admittedly lacking. I
> > > > >personally
> > > > don't
> > > > > take it serious as a web serving platform, I have seen any
> > > > >number of sites hit the wall hard when it comes to scaling with
> > > > >Win32 based
> > > > platforms. It's
> > > > > suitable for testing and development maybe but not deployment.
> > > > >
> > > > > PHP has made best-effort to port to a badly screwed up
> > > > >platform. If
> > > > you have
> > > > > a problem with the win32 port then work on it, submit patches.
> > > > >Thats
> > > > how the
> > > > > open source model works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry that your experience with PHP has been less than ideal.
> > > > >I'm not
> > > > an OS
> > > > > bigot either, I freely hate Linux, and even BSD, Mac too, and
> > > > >Windows. I believe though that each is right in certain areas.
> > > > >
> > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well I feel the need for another rant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <rant start>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I reported several times about the bugs in the win32 mail()
> > > > > >function. Over a year ago too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well it looks like all the response that was given to it was
> > > > > >about in the nature of "don't know nothin about it 'cause I'm
> > > > > >into linux".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you want to port to Windows you could at least get some
> > > > > >win32 programmers to do it right.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <rant over.>
> > > > > >
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