I think, by the way, that this could be a good time to drop the php- prefix 
from new mailing list names.  Do we really need to point out that it's PHP 
related, when the domain is lists.php.net? :)

Zeev

At 00:20 24/05/2002, Lukas Smith wrote:
>Shane also did not like the term and I can see where you all are coming
>from. But I think the mailinglist should cover a broader scope than just
>soap and this is usually done under the name "web services"
>
>php-xml-based-rpc@
>this could mislead to making it sound xml-rpc centric
>and its not really php-rpc@ either
>and this would maybe not be a name that people would immediately point
>their soap answers to ...
>
>all in all "web services" maybe a non programmers choice (maybe even
>"marketing" guys choice), but do we have a better name to wrap these
>technologies into?
>
>php-webservice-tools@ might be better to make clear that this list is
>more about the tools than about discussing actual web services ..
>
>anyways I can live with php-soap@ as well ..
>so who ever is in charge make the call or let the head honchos about
>this topic (like shane or brad) deside what the prefer :-)
>
>Best regards,
>Lukas Smith
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rasmus Lerdorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:08 PM
> > To: Andi Gutmans
> > Cc: Shane Caraveo; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PEAR-DEV] SOAP, XMLRPC and WSDL
> >
> > I really don't like the term Web Services.  SOAP is an RPC mechanism
>and
> > has nothing to do with the web despite what M$ would like to have you
> > think.
> >
> > -Rasmus
> >
> > On Fri, 24 May 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> >
> > > As I mentioned earlier I am a big +1 for it.
> > > Probably php-webservices@ is even better as it covers more and
>sounds
> > good :)
> > >
> > > Andi
> > >
> > > At 11:05 23/05/2002 -0700, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > > >So do we want a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list?  I can set it
>up
> > if
> > > >you say the word.
> > > >
> > > >-Rasmus
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, 23 May 2002, Shane Caraveo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be happy to lead the effort on the soap front.  I've
>spoken
> > a
> > > > > bit with Brad about combining our efforts but got sidetracked
>over
> > the
> > > > > last couple weeks so haven't followed up on that.  I'm also not
>sure
> > > > > whether Deitrich is tied to NuSphere with his work, it'd be nice
>if
> > we
> > > > > could get him to work on this also (I'm sure he's lurking here
>;).
> > > > > There have been a couple others contacting me about working on
>the
> > soap
> > > > > stuff as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shane
> > > > >
> > > > > Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > pear/SOAP seems to work pretty well.  There are few people out
>there
> > that
> > > > > know more about SOAP than Shane and I am quite comfortable
>having
> > him
> > > > > spearheading this effort.  We can easily set up a php-soap
>mailing
> > list if
> > > > > enough people are interested.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Rasmus
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 23 May 2002, Lukas Smith wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  > Yeah, I keep seeing PHP SOAP and XMLRPC being announce
>packages
> > > > >  > everywhere.
> > > > >  > But incompatible API's will not benefit PHP much and the
>efforts
> > are
> > > > >  > simply redundant.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > I think it would make sense to create such a mailinglist.
> > > > >  > As I am still fairly busy with working on a merge of Metabase
>and
> > PEAR
> > > > >  > DB called MDB (blatant plug :-) ) I can't spend as much time
>as I
> > would
> > > > >  > wish on this topic.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > For now I will try to order the feedback I get and put
>together a
> > little
> > > > >  > static page with the content.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Basically I will take every package I find and list it there
>and
> > put any
> > > > >  > comments people send regarding that package underneath.
> > > > >  >
> > > > >  > Best regards,
> > > > >  > Lukas Smith
> > > > >  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >
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