At 07:01 PM 6/6/2002, brad lafountain wrote:
>Please don't reply to this email saying Use Java... Because php is different
>than java and always will be even with these new features.

Brad, I beg you, there's nothing anybody can say on this list that would 
lead this to closure.  Nothing.  I believe that adding the things you 
mentioned does indeed turn PHP into Java, just a messy Java, Java which is 
worse at being Java than the real one is, and torn apart when compared 
against it.  Many others feel the same way.  You don't think that way, and 
I respect it, and there are also others who feel the same way too.  If you, 
or others, want to take PHP into that direction - non-web-centric, more 
complicated language - it's your right, and you can do it outside the scope 
of PHP (or fork).  I believe it's a bad thing for PHP (both having these 
patches in general and forking), but you don't necessarily share this belief.

There's one thing that is clear to me - there's no way to 'find a 
solution', because we don't, at all, agree about the existence of the 
problem.  If you believe these features belong in PHP and that it should 
import all (or most) of Java's features, we (and many others) have a 
fundamental gap in our perception of what PHP should be, and how it can 
stay competitive.

Zeev


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