Thank you Rodolfo for the quick answer. I raised those concerns because you, as a person, are requesting to join the PHP-FIG as a representative of your project, and that's not only the project that is under scrutiny. I personally, being a secretary, don't even have the right to vote on your membership, but I wanted these concerns addressed so that everyone with voting rights could decide if and how to weight those on your membership request.
Clarification: these below are my personal considerations, that aren't in any mean intended as a PHP-FIG official opinion. You answered that you "didn't intend" to infringe on copyright or trademarks, but to the eye of the law that doesn't matter, you're still committing copyright/trademark infringement, and it's a pretty clear and cut case, since you're using companies' trademarks, which IIRC aren't even covered by rules like fair use. You can't consider yourself in the right just because none of these companies haven't discovered you or bothered to issue a cease and desist to you, you're still infringing. And open source, the very core mission or PHP-FIG, is founded on copyright licenses, so I'm worried of your low consideration on this topic. I welcome your clarification on xrdebug, and I've also seen on Reddit that you consider it an open source alternative to Spatie's Ray, not to a full fledged debugger; but still, you're using a name that very closely resembles an established, widely known and copyright-covered tool, which is possibly not trademarked only because Derick didn't have the funds to register it; this is even a bit worse once we consider it not a proper debugger, because it makes me question further why you decided for such a name. Il giorno mercoledì 20 marzo 2024 alle 03:20:49 UTC+1 rodolfo...@gmail.com ha scritto: > I feel your concerns very disturbing but anyway here it goes: > > 1. The logos I use is part of an artistic movement, is not for copyright > infringement nor defamation intended. I created the Chevere organization in > 2018 and I have zero issues to takedown the logos if these bother the > concerning parties (I have never being bothered by anyone). I took many > famous logos because I liked them, and many of these are not the current > logo of these companies but I honor them on my way with a second life. For > example, this one: https://chevere.org/packages/throwable-handler is from > a Chilean cement company. You can read a very interesting background here: > https://www.rchav.cl/2015_26_art05_baranlloni.html#p2 > > If helps, I'm up to write a section on chevere.org explaining why I got > inspired by these logos and what can the affected parties (if any) do to > get me stop using these. These aren't commercial projects anyway. But quick > question: Why logos for Chevere.org (which is not the project being > summited here) affects this anyway? > > 2. Regarding the Xdebug and xrDebug "naming collision". I'm sorry but I > think that this is very odd to even mention, a no issue. There's vi and > vim, there's Java and JavaScript (and so on) but I can't have xrDebug > because which exact reason? PHP users won't ever stop using Xdebug for PHP > and my objective is not to get people stop using that software, I just > offer a simpler solution for very specific cases. Also, my debugger suits a > completely different purpose and I've public addressed that on MergePHP > last meetup. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HoCbXVMltE&t=795s > Xdebug is a full featured PHP debugger while xrDebug is a lightweight debug > tool for PHP (and more) is just that I don't have all the client libraries > yet. If I ever get xrDebug to become more popular, it will surely transcend > PHP and it has the potential to be more popular than Xdebug. Is that the > real matter here? > > To clarify, it is not an option to rename xrDebug to get me to be part of > PHP-FIG. > > I wonder why you didn't ask anything about Chevereto, which is the project > that I'm proposing here anyway. > > Thanks for sharing your concerns. > > On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 8:37:12 PM UTC-3 Alessandro Lai wrote: > >> I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but in recent threads in >> phpc.social it emerged that Rodolfo is behind a couple of, let's say, >> questionable endeavors. >> >> First, he appears to be using famous logos as blueprint for the logos of >> its projects: https://rodolfoberrios.com/ >> >> Second, he's behind the xrdebug project, which is a PHP debugger which >> has a name disturbingly close to the most famous, older one: >> https://xrdebug.com/ >> >> With this message, I ask Rodolfo to explain is behavior, so that we can >> consider it before starting the vote on his membership. >> Il giorno domenica 10 marzo 2024 alle 15:59:53 UTC+1 vin...@delau.nl ha >> scritto: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> As a core committee member I'm happy to announce that Chevereto [1][2] >>> wants to become a member project. I'm sponsoring this application and am >>> introducing Rodolfo Berrios [3] as the proposed Project Representative. >>> >>> Chevereto is a "self-hosted image sharing platform". Although exact user >>> numbers are hard to find, there is a significant amount of downloads for >>> container images for Chevereto [4]. There is also a community forum with >>> over 20000 members [5]. I believe in this time of enshitification [6][7][8] >>> and the resulting rise of the Fediverse, this project is very relevant. >>> >>> In addition to the Chevereto application, there is also a collection of >>> libraries or components that Rodolfo is working on, under the name Chevere >>> [9][10]. >>> >>> I'd like to invite Rodolfo to introduce himself to the list and formally >>> start the discussion period which lasts at least 14 days. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Vincent de Lau >>> PHP-FIG Core Committee member >>> >>> >>> [1]: https://chevereto.com/ >>> [2]: https://github.com/chevereto/chevereto >>> [3]: https://github.com/rodber >>> [4]: https://hub.docker.com/search?q=chevereto >>> [5]: https://chevereto.com/community/ >>> [6]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification >>> [7]: https://chevereto.com/why >>> [8]: >>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/the-big-alternatives-to-google-photos-showdown/ >>> [9]: https://chevere.org/ >>> [10]: https://github.com/chevere >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. 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