Hi Rodolfo, Since you blocked me on Discord, I have to take this public route to continue this discussion.
You have stated that you feel bullied and excluded and I'm sorry you feel that way. However, after reading the discussions here, on Mastodon and Discord, I don't see any behavior that would typically be labeled unacceptable. The concerns raised about potential trademark and copyright infringement are valid in my opinion. In the case of xrDebug, while it technically might not be illegal, I perfectly understand Derick's frustration and the confusion it might cause within the PHP community at large. In my view multiple people were engaging with you to get their questions answered and find solutions for the aspects that could be problematic. Nobody in the FIG outright attacked you, shunned you or tried to exclude you. Maybe there are some cultural or language barriers in the way, although I am thinking this is more a personality issue. You have indicated that you don't want to be part of this group anymore, although you didn't specifically ask me to cancel the application, nor did you do so yourself. Since you have blocked conversation with me as the Sponsor, I can no longer be the Sponsor of this application, and thus I will cancel it. Having said all this, feel free to contact me again is you want to reflect on what transpired over the last 24 hours. I wish you and your projects all the best and still hope to see you around in the PHP community. Kind regards, Vincent de Lau PHP-FIG Core Committee member On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 11:05:50 AM UTC+1 Rodolfo Berrios wrote: > On the debugger name controversy this is ridiculous. Simple as that, I > don't wan to be part of this group if that's how you embrace diversity. > > Very disappointed that nobody is saying anything on how these guys are > bullying my pet project. > > El El mié, 20 mar. 2024 a la(s) 04:53, Alessandro Lai < > alessand...@gmail.com> escribió: > >> >> Thank you Rodolfo for the quick answer. >> >> I raised those concerns because you, as a person, are requesting to join >> the PHP-FIG as a representative of your project, and that's not only the >> project that is under scrutiny. I personally, being a secretary, don't even >> have the right to vote on your membership, but I wanted these concerns >> addressed so that everyone with voting rights could decide if and how to >> weight those on your membership request. >> >> Clarification: these below are my personal considerations, that aren't in >> any mean intended as a PHP-FIG official opinion. >> >> You answered that you "didn't intend" to infringe on copyright or >> trademarks, but to the eye of the law that doesn't matter, you're still >> committing copyright/trademark infringement, and it's a pretty clear and >> cut case, since you're using companies' trademarks, which IIRC aren't even >> covered by rules like fair use. You can't consider yourself in the right >> just because none of these companies haven't discovered you or bothered to >> issue a cease and desist to you, you're still infringing. And open source, >> the very core mission or PHP-FIG, is founded on copyright licenses, so I'm >> worried of your low consideration on this topic. >> >> I welcome your clarification on xrdebug, and I've also seen on Reddit >> that you consider it an open source alternative to Spatie's Ray, not to a >> full fledged debugger; but still, you're using a name that very closely >> resembles an established, widely known and copyright-covered tool, which is >> possibly not trademarked only because Derick didn't have the funds to >> register it; this is even a bit worse once we consider it not a proper >> debugger, because it makes me question further why you decided for such a >> name. >> Il giorno mercoledì 20 marzo 2024 alle 03:20:49 UTC+1 >> rodolfo...@gmail.com ha scritto: >> >>> I feel your concerns very disturbing but anyway here it goes: >>> >>> 1. The logos I use is part of an artistic movement, is not for copyright >>> infringement nor defamation intended. I created the Chevere organization in >>> 2018 and I have zero issues to takedown the logos if these bother the >>> concerning parties (I have never being bothered by anyone). I took many >>> famous logos because I liked them, and many of these are not the current >>> logo of these companies but I honor them on my way with a second life. For >>> example, this one: https://chevere.org/packages/throwable-handler is >>> from a Chilean cement company. You can read a very interesting background >>> here: https://www.rchav.cl/2015_26_art05_baranlloni.html#p2 >>> >>> If helps, I'm up to write a section on chevere.org explaining why I got >>> inspired by these logos and what can the affected parties (if any) do to >>> get me stop using these. These aren't commercial projects anyway. But quick >>> question: Why logos for Chevere.org (which is not the project being >>> summited here) affects this anyway? >>> >>> 2. Regarding the Xdebug and xrDebug "naming collision". I'm sorry but I >>> think that this is very odd to even mention, a no issue. There's vi and >>> vim, there's Java and JavaScript (and so on) but I can't have xrDebug >>> because which exact reason? PHP users won't ever stop using Xdebug for PHP >>> and my objective is not to get people stop using that software, I just >>> offer a simpler solution for very specific cases. Also, my debugger suits a >>> completely different purpose and I've public addressed that on MergePHP >>> last meetup. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HoCbXVMltE&t=795s >>> Xdebug is a full featured PHP debugger while xrDebug is a lightweight debug >>> tool for PHP (and more) is just that I don't have all the client libraries >>> yet. If I ever get xrDebug to become more popular, it will surely transcend >>> PHP and it has the potential to be more popular than Xdebug. Is that the >>> real matter here? >>> >>> To clarify, it is not an option to rename xrDebug to get me to be part >>> of PHP-FIG. >>> >>> I wonder why you didn't ask anything about Chevereto, which is the >>> project that I'm proposing here anyway. >>> >>> Thanks for sharing your concerns. >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 8:37:12 PM UTC-3 Alessandro Lai wrote: >>> >>>> I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but in recent threads in >>>> phpc.social it emerged that Rodolfo is behind a couple of, let's say, >>>> questionable endeavors. >>>> >>>> First, he appears to be using famous logos as blueprint for the logos >>>> of its projects: https://rodolfoberrios.com/ >>>> >>>> Second, he's behind the xrdebug project, which is a PHP debugger which >>>> has a name disturbingly close to the most famous, older one: >>>> https://xrdebug.com/ >>>> >>>> With this message, I ask Rodolfo to explain is behavior, so that we can >>>> consider it before starting the vote on his membership. >>>> Il giorno domenica 10 marzo 2024 alle 15:59:53 UTC+1 vin...@delau.nl >>>> ha scritto: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> As a core committee member I'm happy to announce that Chevereto [1][2] >>>>> wants to become a member project. I'm sponsoring this application and am >>>>> introducing Rodolfo Berrios [3] as the proposed Project Representative. >>>>> >>>>> Chevereto is a "self-hosted image sharing platform". Although exact >>>>> user numbers are hard to find, there is a significant amount of downloads >>>>> for container images for Chevereto [4]. There is also a community forum >>>>> with over 20000 members [5]. I believe in this time of enshitification >>>>> [6][7][8] and the resulting rise of the Fediverse, this project is very >>>>> relevant. >>>>> >>>>> In addition to the Chevereto application, there is also a collection >>>>> of libraries or components that Rodolfo is working on, under the name >>>>> Chevere [9][10]. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to invite Rodolfo to introduce himself to the list and >>>>> formally start the discussion period which lasts at least 14 days. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> Vincent de Lau >>>>> PHP-FIG Core Committee member >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [1]: https://chevereto.com/ >>>>> [2]: https://github.com/chevereto/chevereto >>>>> [3]: https://github.com/rodber >>>>> [4]: https://hub.docker.com/search?q=chevereto >>>>> [5]: https://chevereto.com/community/ >>>>> [6]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification >>>>> [7]: https://chevereto.com/why >>>>> [8]: >>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/the-big-alternatives-to-google-photos-showdown/ >>>>> [9]: https://chevere.org/ >>>>> [10]: https://github.com/chevere >>>> >>>> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to php-fig+u...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/289e4835-c42b-473e-a07c-1647db7533een%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/289e4835-c42b-473e-a07c-1647db7533een%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. 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