Again I point out that this certification starts to make PHP valid in the
commercial world. I completely agree with everyone that certs usually aren't
worth the paper they are printed on when it comes to technical expertise but
to a PHB or client who doesn't know any better except buzz words, a
"certified php developer" sounds better.

Even I(who would take a seasoned programmer over a certified guy anyday),
would probably prefer to hire "certified php" developers because you know
what??? It's an easier sell to potential clients. Granted, you have to hire
one or two guys who actually know what their doing to keep the ship floating
but nevertheless it's an easier sell if you have "certified php developers"
on board.

-Brent

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Zirzow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PHP List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP Oficial Certification


> * Thus wrote Yann Larrivee:
> > For shure a beginner will benefit from this has it is problably give him
> > a salary increase compared to the guy that is not certified (we all know
> > that php developper are under paid) So this part is good.
> > It will also eliminate some people out of the market for shure at some
> > point.
>
> A certifcate most likely wont get you a salary increase, but it will
> be favored in consideration of equal experience.
>
> >
> > Yep emplyers will use it to evaluate people, but like i said i you want
> > to get good exprience just work on a open source software if you don't
> > have any work experience.
>
> OSS doesn't make a person better programmer, you can easily write
> an OSS app and still lack any knowledge of proper writting.
>
> >
> > Now has far has sun certification how it will help you get a php job.
> > Well depends what kind of job you are looking for. A job where you only
> > do php 24/7 or you do other stuff on the side (Java, C++, PHP, ...)
>
> I still dont see how sun has anything to do with anything, unless
> your against OSS philosophy.
>
> >
> > If so then beeing certified PHP just assure that you know PHP and some
> > principles.
>
> Assuring someone that you have *some* is much better than the lack
> of proof otherwise.
>
> > If you thake the sun certification it is been there for a far longer
> > time ans since your job requires both in this case the sun certification
> > means more.
> >
> > But certifications are just there to prove your level of understanding.
>
> So if I have a certificate of 'ed' that make it better than having
> a sun certificat since 'ed' has been around longer than sun. And
> should land me a much better PHP job.
>
>
> Curt
> -- 
> First, let me assure you that this is not one of those shady pyramid
schemes
> you've been hearing about.  No, sir.  Our model is the trapezoid!
>
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