Nathan Rixham wrote:
> tedd wrote:
>> At 2:06 PM -0400 5/15/09, Tom Worster wrote:
>>> for one thing, a table is a great way of representing relations
>>> ( data tables are the
>>> canonical
>>> example but very often a form's structure is a relation, e.g.
>>> between labels
>>> and input fields, or between multiple input fields.
>>> some of the best designed and behaving web sites i know use tables
>>> in ways
>>> that a list apart would consider heathen.
>> Heresy!  :-)
>> However, there are occasions such as in a calendar where not using a
>> table would be more than difficult. I haven't received a decree yet
>> as to IF that would be considered column data or not.
> I'm gonna differ on this one, when you simply float each calender item
> to the left you're pretty much done, in many cases i find it easier
> than tables.
>> I have, and continue to use, tables for forms. The main reason given
>> for not using tables is because they are not considered accessible by
>> those with disabilities. However, people with disabilities generally
>> don't have any problems with forms if the forms are properly labeled.
>> So, I think that's acceptable, but am sure heathen in css terms.
>> But whenever/wherever I can, I try to avoid using tables --
>> especially in layouts.
> IMHO the whole css vs table based layouts is a bit pointless, fact is
> that as web developers and designers we're struggling to fulfil
> clients needs, designers aesthetic demands and end user functionality
> using languages that really aren't cut out for the job.
> Sure we can manage to do and hack through things, but the second you
> move away from a conventional style document with some hyper links
> you've moved outside of the scope of html. So regardless of how we do
> it, we're fitting square technologies in to round holes.
> In fact the most fitting use of (x)HTML and CSS I've ever seen are the
> RFCs and Specifications on - styled usable "documents" - not
> what many term as a website, and certainly not a flashy zippy glossy
> ecommerce store with a tonne of effects and even more functionality.
> It's a bit like creating a full glossy magazine in ms "paint" I guess.
> so ultimately i guess it's a case of 3 cheers and a round of applause
> for anybody who's thus far managed to create a website that works and
> that the client likes!
> regards :)
Hear! Hear! ;-) :-)

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