rc> Thus before the big bang is perfectly
rc> valid whether we could perceive it or not.
ts> Not really. It's as meaningless as asking
ts> what's north of the North Pole.

That's an interesting point. If you stand at the North Pole where all
lines of reference converge, there is still Galactic North and True North
if one's reference frame is Magnetic North. There are no privelaged frames
of references UNLESS there is only ONE singular frame of reference.

The Big Bang is a singularity event, there were no reference points in
existance until the Big Bang, ergo you're so right, even saying "before
the Big Bang" isn't even wrong. :)

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