2013/8/20 Steven Staples <sstap...@mnsi.net>

> > My recent question was simply an attempt to get documentation to support
> > which server-side Web Language is the most popular. Both PHP and Java can
> > be used server-side.
> >
> > I also realize that Java is used for native Android because I also teach
> > Mobile Application Development (MAD -- I even coined the name). So, I am
> up
> > to my butt in languages (and people who think different than me) -- I'm
> > just trying to get documentation to back up my what I think I know.
> Well, technically any language can be used server side, it is all on how
> you
> set up your server, no?

No. But since node.js I lack an example :D But of course you need the
"link" between the language and the network.

> I would tend to think that the biggest out there, is html/php/javascript...
> and next to that, would be asp, and then java.   Do I have proof of this?
> No, can I get proof, I doubt it, and are there stats on this? To be honest,
> in my opinion, that would be like asking "how big is the internet?".  It is
> virtually an immeasurable object.  There are so many websites out there,
> that you can't search them all...

Of course you cannot search them _all_, but again the link:
There are good hints, how "the internet looks like". For example a hoster
can simply look at the products he sell. Services like w3techs.com use the
reports from the server themself (in most cases the headers), or the
file-ending (doesn't work anymore that good, since most sites hide them ;))
and extrapolate this.
Of course they are not exact, but I think they show the direction quite

> PHP is simple, and yet powerful to use, and is pretty much the standard for
> all hosting companies.
> Now, there is this link...
> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
> It shows Java as #1, and php as #5, but this is also for PROGRAMMING, does
> not specify web based programming vs desktop vs MAD (thanks tedd ;) ) so
> the
> numbers do not really speak out in this application.

Also it is the Tiobe-Index. Although it is widely-referenced, the way it
calculates their rankings is ... interesting. In fact it only tells you how
"loud" a community around a specific language is. So for example maybe Java
is #1, because it is so complex, that it leads to many questions in forums
and on stackoverflow. Or PHP is "only" #5, because most communication is on
IRC, or mailinglists. (disclaimer: Of course I faked this examples.
Actually I have no idea how the communities around Java and PHP "as a
whole" interacts primary, but I don't think, that they are all equal).
I just think, that the Tiobe-Index has a completely different view on "what
is a popular language", than I have.

> Does it really matter?   PHP is very huge, widely used, and I would even go
> so far as to say the 'norm' for website developers, and hosting providers.

Nope, it doesn't matter :)

> But that is my $0.02, and for me, I have been with PHP for 7 years
> professionally, and in college I took VB.net, ASP.net, C++, JAVA and PHP.
> Only recently have I gotten into C# for desktop applications.
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