In today's depressed IT market, what are the prevailing hourly rates for a
very experienced PHP/MySQL developer? I desire to use this information as a
guage of what I am currently charging.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter J. Schoenster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [PHP] Paying Job...

On 25 Jul 2002 at 11:46, Gerard Samuel wrote:

> Basically, someone is looking to get a database driven site built,
> and Ive never written code for money before.
> Im looking for advice, as to how the experienced coders in here charge
> for their work. Do you charge by the page, script or by the hour (that
> would be nice).

Not talking about what to charge .... but how to charge. Good question.

I've travelled quite a bit and in a lot of countries a price is "how much do
you want to pay". Seriously, when you ask the price the answer is usually
sometimes excactly that or other times what the seller considers you might
pay based on his quick evalution of you.

Now, are software companies much different than that? I don't think so. Try
to get a price on some software "products".  Not as easy as it seems.

What are you really selling? You are not selling "packaged" software. You
are selling a service. Most, not all, services get priced by time. I worked
at an
ad agency and I had to account for 7.75 hours per day. I would attach my
time to jobs and the account execs would bill the clients periodically (and
sometimes they reduced the time I spent). Often there was the thought to
bill for value provided rather than time which is tricky if not also walking
ethical borderline, imho.

I love the people who bill by the project. They will spend all of 10 minutes
to "know" a project and bid. I guess most of them hope to whine later to get
more money.  I would bet that this method has the most success. But then you
would make more money selling drugs than providing software solutions
so success is probably not measured by money or acceptance.

Personally, if it's a small thing like fixing something broken in software I
understand or just doing something that's pretty generic I will provide an
of time, as in from 4 - 8 hours. The client must trust me and be willing to
pay the high figure if need be. I will usually not bill more than the high
figure if
I've underestimated.

If it's a project (more than 15 hours) then I prefer to try and get a
blueprint going so I can determine what it is I'm going to build before I
agree to build it at
a price. This worked for me three times, for FedEx and for an Architectural
Firm and a "monster" type job company. Usually this method fails because
your client will balk at paying for what is "so obvious" :) and when other
developers will also agree that it's "so obvious".

So, imho, it is a question of "who you are" to determine how to charge. Best
bet, imho, is to try to understand the project as much as possible and give
them a decent range. Be prepared to spend a lot more time on it than you
budget. Try to get the job especially since it sounds like it's your first.
If they
want a fixed price for something which isn't even fixed yet, heck, give it,
plenty of others will. Experience helps, understanding the nature of the
helps ... I'd suggest do whatever you have to do to get the job, you want
the experience more than the money (possibly).

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