Heh - I know how you feel. I'm an ex network tecchie fighting my way through a career change to web developer - spent some time messing with various scripting tools and so forth, but never really had any formal coding experience until I hit php - if you want some advice on learning php mine is spend the next few weeks/months just soaking up every tutorial you can lay your hands on - the best libraries are on phpbuilder, devshed and zend imho - altho webmonkey also has a couple of really 'beginner' ones (hello world country) you might want to start out with.
Also one thing no-one ever really tells you about this is that one of the most important things to learn if you plan on building sites with php is not php - its html. I know this is a bit duh!, but seriously - php is about logical structures - and slapping together a few variables - it aint that hard once you get in the groove, but if you don't know your html well enough to handcode it and to deconstruct a fat mess of tags in your head and visualize what its going to end up looking like on screen - you're going to have a hard time coding scripts to generate the stuff. 0.02 - actual mileage may vary - insert coin to generate more bs Cheers Will > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad Winger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 12 September 2002 03:34 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Cry for help > > > I have no idea what that means, sorry :) > > My point for wanting to do this isnt because I really want to > make a list of the home teams or whatnot. But obviously, at > some point, I am going to have to learn how to split > different bits of information, how organize them in certain > ways, in certain orders etc. So if i can figure out how to > get PHP to select the certain bits of info, and then organize > them, say, alphabetically, that will teach me how to write > some syntax, to use a few different functions and to begin > how to set variables. > > in 85 when i had the old Apple IIe I was able to do stuff > like this with the if A$=whatever then goto ... type stuff > and it was easy back then. Now i realize PHP is not BASIC, > nor am I a little kid anymore, but the basic idea of what i'd > like to learn to do is there. So if i can just get used to > working with it, then it will come > > -Tree > > Adam Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > te.ms.us... > > You can use PHP and file() to do with, along with the str > functions, > > but if I were you and you already know what the filename of > the file > > is you are working on (or can submit it via a form) I would use the > > unix command cut to do the operations on the file. Use > another exec() > > or system() and have it run cut -d | -f 4 yourfile.txt and > then return > > you the output. > > > > Adam > > > > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Chad Winger wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the reply :P > > > > > > I found it actually. Now I have the apache and php > running, and am > > > able > to > > > run my aforementioned test script locally. I am still looking > > > through > the > > > manual now for the syntaxes and such. I am also looking > on the web > > > for > some > > > simple prewritten scripts to run and then try to dissect and > deconstruct. > > > > > > With my little test "script" I've written, there are a few things > > > I'd > like > > > to be able to try to do with it that I think would help > my learning > process > > > go on more smoothly, but i cant seem to figure out, what > functions > > > to > even > > > begin to try to use. > > > > > > I'll give an example. > > > > > > This is the result of my little "test" script as printed > into a txt > file. > > > > > > |Serie C2 Round 2|09.09.02|20.45|Sangiovannese|Florentia Viola > > > > > > So if i fill out the form again, and resubmit, i might > get something > like > > > this: > > > > > > |Serie C2 Round 2|09.09.02|20.45|Sangiovannese|Florentia > Viola Serie > > > |C2 Round 2|09.09.02|20.45|Gualdo|Florentia Viola > > > > > > So for example, lets say I wanted to make another html > form that has > > > a > form > > > field for List team by: and and select either "home" or > "away" ... > > > by selecting "home", the browser would print out the following: > > > > > > Sangiovannese > > > Gualdo > > > > > > so now I need to figure out how to get PHP to do the following: > > > > > > #1 look at each line in the text file and treat it > individually #2 > > > select the data after the 4th | from each line #3 print > it back to > > > the browser > > > > > > It's simple things like this that will get me going. I > know for guys > like > > > you, it would take about 3 minutes to type that up but to me its a > little > > > tough trying to figure out how and where to use what. This manual > > > isnt > the > > > most well put together in my opinion, its tough to locate > things. So > > > if someone or something would say to me"well for that > operation, you > > > need > to > > > create function_whatever, then run a so_and_so then I could go to > > > the manual, and then learn how to write it. So this is my problem > > > right now, basically not knowing WHAT to learn first. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > -Tree > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Newsgroups: php.general > > > To: 'Chad Winger' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:01 PM > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Cry for help > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > As far as Apache is concerned, I looked at the website, yet > > > > couldnt > find > > > the > > > > exact server software, so if you could provide me with a direct > > > > link > I'd > > > > appreciate it. It would be to my benefit however, if I > could not > > > > only > > > serve > > > > myself html pages as http:// but also as file:// as > internet costs > here > > > are > > > > ridiculously high (no unilimited $24.99 2/7 packages here yet) > > > > [/snip] > > > > > > > > When you install apache locally (on your own system) you will be > serving > > > > pages as http:// locally. Should help you to cut down on those > > > > unreal internet costs. > > > > > > > > What OS are you running now? Give us that and we can > point you to > > > > a > link. > > > > > > > > HTH! Peace ... > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > in message > > > 001901c25a5c$797161c0$8102a8c0@000347D72515">news:001901c25a5c$797161c0$8102a8c0@000347D72515... > > > > [snip] > > > > As far as Apache is concerned, I looked at the website, yet > > > > couldnt > find > > > the > > > > exact server software, so if you could provide me with a direct > > > > link > I'd > > > > appreciate it. It would be to my benefit however, if I > could not > > > > only > > > serve > > > > myself html pages as http:// but also as file:// as > internet costs > here > > > are > > > > ridiculously high (no unilimited $24.99 2/7 packages here yet) > > > > [/snip] > > > > > > > > When you install apache locally (on your own system) you will be > serving > > > > pages as http:// locally. Should help you to cut down on those > > > > unreal internet costs. > > > > > > > > What OS are you running now? Give us that and we can > point you to > > > > a > link. > > > > > > > > HTH! Peace ... > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php