Html is something i do in my sleep :P thankfully I've been good enough with it to make a decent living with it. What you mention is quite logical, as i would find myself correcting the ppl coding the databases and/or scripts by saying, stuff like "you realize that when the info is returned like that you are going to need four colums in the html, not 3..." and they'd be like, geez..your right...and then they'd have to go back and code again...
So i am hoping that the html part that i know helps me gets me thru the scripting phase a little easier, although the languages are apples and oranges iom looking thru the tuts now :P cheers -Tree Will Steffen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 000c01c25a63$e616a0e0$8000a8c0@william">news:000c01c25a63$e616a0e0$8000a8c0@william... > Heh - I know how you feel. > > I'm an ex network tecchie fighting my way through a career change to web > developer - spent some time messing with various scripting tools and so > forth, but never really had any formal coding experience until I hit php > - if you want some advice on learning php mine is spend the next few > weeks/months just soaking up every tutorial you can lay your hands on - > the best libraries are on phpbuilder, devshed and zend imho - altho > webmonkey also has a couple of really 'beginner' ones (hello world > country) you might want to start out with. > > Also one thing no-one ever really tells you about this is that one of > the most important things to learn if you plan on building sites with > php is not php - its html. I know this is a bit duh!, but seriously - > php is about logical structures - and slapping together a few variables > - it aint that hard once you get in the groove, but if you don't know > your html well enough to handcode it and to deconstruct a fat mess of > tags in your head and visualize what its going to end up looking like on > screen - you're going to have a hard time coding scripts to generate the > stuff. > > > 0.02 - actual mileage may vary - insert coin to generate more bs > > Cheers > Will > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chad Winger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 12 September 2002 03:34 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Re: Cry for help > > > > > > I have no idea what that means, sorry :) > > > > My point for wanting to do this isnt because I really want to > > make a list of the home teams or whatnot. But obviously, at > > some point, I am going to have to learn how to split > > different bits of information, how organize them in certain > > ways, in certain orders etc. So if i can figure out how to > > get PHP to select the certain bits of info, and then organize > > them, say, alphabetically, that will teach me how to write > > some syntax, to use a few different functions and to begin > > how to set variables. > > > > in 85 when i had the old Apple IIe I was able to do stuff > > like this with the if A$=whatever then goto ... type stuff > > and it was easy back then. Now i realize PHP is not BASIC, > > nor am I a little kid anymore, but the basic idea of what i'd > > like to learn to do is there. So if i can just get used to > > working with it, then it will come > > > > -Tree > > > > Adam Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > te.ms.us... > > > You can use PHP and file() to do with, along with the str > > functions, > > > but if I were you and you already know what the filename of > > the file > > > is you are working on (or can submit it via a form) I would use the > > > unix command cut to do the operations on the file. Use > > another exec() > > > or system() and have it run cut -d | -f 4 yourfile.txt and > > then return > > > you the output. > > > > > > Adam > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Chad Winger wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply :P > > > > > > > > I found it actually. Now I have the apache and php > > running, and am > > > > able > > to > > > > run my aforementioned test script locally. I am still looking > > > > through > > the > > > > manual now for the syntaxes and such. I am also looking > > on the web > > > > for > > some > > > > simple prewritten scripts to run and then try to dissect and > > deconstruct. > > > > > > > > With my little test "script" I've written, there are a few things > > > > I'd > > like > > > > to be able to try to do with it that I think would help > > my learning > > process > > > > go on more smoothly, but i cant seem to figure out, what > > functions > > > > to > > even > > > > begin to try to use. > > > > > > > > I'll give an example. > > > > > > > > This is the result of my little "test" script as printed > > into a txt > > file. > > > > > > > > |Serie C2 Round 2|09.09.02|20.45|Sangiovannese|Florentia Viola > > > > > > > > So if i fill out the form again, and resubmit, i might > > get something > > like > > > > this: > > > > > > > > |Serie C2 Round 2|09.09.02|20.45|Sangiovannese|Florentia > > Viola Serie > > > > |C2 Round 2|09.09.02|20.45|Gualdo|Florentia Viola > > > > > > > > So for example, lets say I wanted to make another html > > form that has > > > > a > > form > > > > field for List team by: and and select either "home" or > > "away" ... > > > > by selecting "home", the browser would print out the following: > > > > > > > > Sangiovannese > > > > Gualdo > > > > > > > > so now I need to figure out how to get PHP to do the following: > > > > > > > > #1 look at each line in the text file and treat it > > individually #2 > > > > select the data after the 4th | from each line #3 print > > it back to > > > > the browser > > > > > > > > It's simple things like this that will get me going. I > > know for guys > > like > > > > you, it would take about 3 minutes to type that up but to me its a > > little > > > > tough trying to figure out how and where to use what. This manual > > > > isnt > > the > > > > most well put together in my opinion, its tough to locate > > things. So > > > > if someone or something would say to me"well for that > > operation, you > > > > need > > to > > > > create function_whatever, then run a so_and_so then I could go to > > > > the manual, and then learn how to write it. So this is my problem > > > > right now, basically not knowing WHAT to learn first. > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > > > -Tree > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Newsgroups: php.general > > > > To: 'Chad Winger' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:01 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [PHP] Re: Cry for help > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > As far as Apache is concerned, I looked at the website, yet > > > > > couldnt > > find > > > > the > > > > > exact server software, so if you could provide me with a direct > > > > > link > > I'd > > > > > appreciate it. It would be to my benefit however, if I > > could not > > > > > only > > > > serve > > > > > myself html pages as http:// but also as file:// as > > internet costs > > here > > > > are > > > > > ridiculously high (no unilimited $24.99 2/7 packages here yet) > > > > > [/snip] > > > > > > > > > > When you install apache locally (on your own system) you will be > > serving > > > > > pages as http:// locally. Should help you to cut down on those > > > > > unreal internet costs. > > > > > > > > > > What OS are you running now? Give us that and we can > > point you to > > > > > a > > link. > > > > > > > > > > HTH! Peace ... > > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jay Blanchard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > in message > > > > 001901c25a5c$797161c0$8102a8c0@000347D72515">news:001901c25a5c$797161c0$8102a8c0@000347D72515... > > > > > [snip] > > > > > As far as Apache is concerned, I looked at the website, yet > > > > > couldnt > > find > > > > the > > > > > exact server software, so if you could provide me with a direct > > > > > link > > I'd > > > > > appreciate it. It would be to my benefit however, if I > > could not > > > > > only > > > > serve > > > > > myself html pages as http:// but also as file:// as > > internet costs > > here > > > > are > > > > > ridiculously high (no unilimited $24.99 2/7 packages here yet) > > > > > [/snip] > > > > > > > > > > When you install apache locally (on your own system) you will be > > serving > > > > > pages as http:// locally. Should help you to cut down on those > > > > > unreal internet costs. > > > > > > > > > > What OS are you running now? Give us that and we can > > point you to > > > > > a > > link. > > > > > > > > > > HTH! Peace ... > > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
