Just some comments. The english branch is the most up to date version of the manual. And by convention, all translations follow the same guidelines, content and licensing. Bottomline: you should not rely on possible outdated information from a translation branch, but always check against the english version.
BTW, a GPL (or a Gnu FDL which is the alternative) license is more strict (or infectious) than the current Open Publication License. If you were to use material from a GPL (or Gnu FDL) licensed work, you will obliged to distribute your work under the same conditions. This does not preclude the selling of books, but indicates that the derivative work should also be freely available for retrieval (download, etc.) The PHP manual's current license won't force you to do that. Just requires the OK from the manual maintainers. The last time we were discussing about licensing and matters of that sort (check the mailing list archives), there was a concesus that Goba would be the handler of this matters (until he gets fed up and asks for someone else to volunteer ;-). In this case the leader(s) of the German documentation should also have a say. And I think that Goba and Friedhelm had already asked you for you to give something back in exchange for the OK. Cheers. --- MAB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Friedhelm, > thank you for your detailed answer. > But I think, I'm not getting one step ahead. Is the > only problem, the > number of pages. Or is the problem in the percentage > part of > reference of the book in general ? It's absolutely > no problem to > change this fact !! What percentage is acceptable > for you and your > translator group? > You've written about the opencontent licence, but > the manual is > published under the conditions of the GNU Licence > there is a conflict > in your argumentation > http://www.php.net/manual/de/copyright.php > > You say, that you are one of them, who are the > others?, Who decide? > I kwow the names but I have not email or telephone > contact of the > german translators. > > I've written to all these people (cc s.o.) but no > one answered until > now,except you. > Can you give me a contact ? Or a telephone number > ,to make a fast decision. > > Best wishes > Andreas > > > >On Sunday 15 June 2003 23:18, MAB wrote: > > > >Hello Andreas, > > > >first of all, could you please write in English? > This is preferrable, because > >most other people involved don't speak German > (sadly enough ;-( ). And the > >second: I am not the one to decide anything here, > the copyright holders have > >to decide according to the license of the > documentation, which can be found > >online at > http://www.php.net/manual/en/copyright.php. But I > guess you read > >this already and the full license text at > >http://www.opencontent.org/openpub/? A translated > version can be found here: > >http://www.dclp-faq.de/q/q-lizenz-deutsch.html > > > >As far as I understood your mail, you would like to > publish a modified version > >of the mentionded parts of the reference? If so, > you should take care of > >V. REQUIREMENTS ON MODIFIED WORKS from the license. > > > >I believe, that you are working hard, I don't doubt > about your honest intent > >regarding your work with and for PHP. > > > >I don't want to sound hostile but the "critical" > point for me is as follows: > >Near half of your book (if I got it correct) will > consist of the reference > >part taken and modified from the german Manual. > Many people contributed in > >the trans in their spare time for free, so taken > from another point of view: > >do you think it is smart to make money based on the > work from others? Again, I > >don't doubt your honest intent, but half of your > book? Isn't that too much? > > > >Please keep in mind, this is only _one_ opinon from > _one_ person of the trans > >team, I speak only for myself, I don't know any > opinions from the other team > >members, I can't decide anything. And I am still -1 > for your plan, sorry. > > > >Beside all I said, I wish you the best, and you are > always welcome to > >contribute to the german translation. Thanks for > writing and asking! > > > >Kind Regards > > > >Friedhelm > > > > > >> ich möchte mich einmal persönlich an Sie wenden > bzgl. der > >> deutschsprachigen Referenzliste in meinen Buch, > welches ich zu > >> veröffentlichen zu gedenke. > >> Zunächsteinmal möchte ich ihnen sagen, dass es > für mich > >> selbstverständlich ist, zuerst mit dem oder den > Autoren Verbindung > >> aufzunehmen, deren Unterlagen ich verwenden > möchte, aus dem einfachen > >> Grunde, weil ich die Arbeit anderer respektiere, > auch wenn es sich um > >> OpenSource Projekte handelt. > >> Ich bin ein großer Anhängervon PHP, Eurer Sache > und Eurer Community. > >> Ich habe schon hunderten von Interessierten den > Umgang mit PHP > >> nahegebracht, und viele von Ihnen wenden es > heute erfolgreich an. > >> Also Sie sehen, ich arbeite hart für die > Verbreitung dieser > >> Skriptsprache. > >> In meinem Fall geht es nicht darum, dass ich > mich mit fremden Feder > >> schmücken möchte, also einfach Eure Arbeit > abdrucken möchte, vielmehr > >> geht es mir darum meine Erfahrungen mit PHP und > PHP Listings von mir > >> in einem Buch niederzuschrieben. Zu den Themen > die ich behandelt > >> habe, möchte ich eine vollständige Referenzliste > mitveröffentlichen, > >> die dann entsprechend dem Buch angepasst ist. > >> > >> Ich bin ebenfalls bereit an Eurer Dokumentation > mitzuarbeiten, ja > > > sogar bereit, die Referenz zu den Themen die > ich oben angeführt habe, > >> und die ich in meinem Buch (angepasst) > veröffentliche,Euch zur > >> Verfügung zu stellen. > >> Ich würde Ihnen (Euch) sehr verbunden sein, wenn > Sie dem Vorschlag > >> zustimmen könnten. > >> > >> Viele Grüße > >> Andreas > > > > > >-- > >ab in den Dschungel: > >http://www.jungle-world.com/ > > > > -- > PHP Documentation Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > ===== --- Jesus M. Castagnetto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. 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