On Jan 15, 5:26 pm, Ryan Freckleton <ryan.freckle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:04 AM, RonnyPfannschmidt <
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> > On Jan 15, 10:57 am, Ali Afshar <aafs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi, as a user, I would be *really* keen on seeing good Java support,
> > > or any Java support. In my opinion it is a huge missing link, as
> > > although Java is not my primary development language, it is hard to
> > > live without using it occasionally.
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> > > I personally wouldn't get hung up on having the first iteration be
> > > perfect, using Jython etc..
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> > well, using jython would only be required for reasonable invocation of
> > java programm parts
> > the rest whole thing will require a good amount of iterations,
> > since java support is certainly a complex feature
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> > i'm looking forward to seeing it happen :)
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> Right, we're aiming at implementing the simplest thing that could possibly
> work. Part of the problem is that there aren't a lot of stand alone java
> applications to support IDE features. We may end up ripping code out of
> Eclipse, Netbeans, etc. for refactoring, code checking etc.
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> This is one area where we could use some help. If anyone knows of libraries
> for doing IDE like things with Java that we could use, that would be
> fantastic. Otherwise we'll just slowly add features from scratch.
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we might need to have to search the java community for those

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> > > 2010/1/15 RonnyPfannschmidt <ronny.pfannschm...@gmail.com>:
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> > > > On Jan 15, 5:04 am, Ryan Freckleton <ryan.freckle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Hello PIDA developers and community,
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> > > >> One of my coworkers (Tim Flink, who wrote this list earlier) and I are
> > > >> interested in developing Java support for PIDA with the goal of using
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> > > >> our primary java IDE.
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> > > >> If we succeed in adding this support, would you be interested in
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> > > >> our patches into mainline? We're planning doing our work in public
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> > > >> on bitbucket and keeping them synced with main.
> > > > Yup, we are interested
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> > > >> This assumes that our code is up to par with quality, tests, etc.
> > > > Tests is still a big grey area, quality is a moving target we attack
> > > > via peer-review.
> > > > I'd happy to provide additional review for you, if requested.
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> > > > The basic premise Sounds fine, we might want to investigate on running
> > > > java-related things via a execnet->jython bridge.
> > > > We currently lack a concept of generic build systems, so currently it
> > > > would be necessary to indirect via puilder
> > > > (our simple builtin task-based build tool)
> > > > At some point i plan to make the Project support build tool agnostic,
> > > > so java based Projects could directly use ant/maven.
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> Glad to hear it! We'll definitely take you up on the offer for additional
> code reviews once we have some code.
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> Holy cow, execnet is awesome! I didn't know that the PyPy project had
> created such a thing, most of the bridges I've seen between Java and Python
> use the shell and are generally dead projects :(. This is something
> definitely worth looking into.
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> Thanks for the tip. Do you have any design constraints or ideas of how to
> make the build system more generic? We may end up getting it before you.
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not yet, thats something for after the exams


> Based on the level of support we're getting, I think that it would be useful
> for us to do a "design outline" and share it with the list of what we plan
> on doing. That way we can get some feedback before we start.
Feel free to abuse our Wiki.

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> Thanks again!
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> --Ryan E. Freckleton
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