On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
On 17/08/10 12:30, Adrian Knoth wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 05:58:43PM +0200, Reinhard Tartler wrote:

I've had a small private followup conversation with Andreas about this. He basically came up with the suggestion to turn debian-multime...@lists.debian.org from a *development* oriented mailing list to a *user* focused list. This way users can share their thoughts, concerns and kudos.

Sounds good to me.

I also digged out some mails from the archive with subject "closing down
debian-multimedia alioth project and l.d.o list", dating back to April

I never noticed there was still traffic on debian-multime...@l.d.o.

Anyway, make this the place for users and keep
pkg-multimedia-maintainers for "internal" discussion.

Also note that we should change the maintainer address in the following


If we want to make debian-multimedia a place for users anytime soon,
we'd probably need to change all those packages upfront, IOW, before we
release squeeze.

I'm not entirely sure the release team is happy if we'll upload 17
packages just because of a maintainer's email address change, but given
the long release cycle, I see no other way if we want to use
debian-multime...@l.d.o, unless it's acceptable to see a bug reports now
and then on this list.

BTW: Many of these packages are pretty old, e.g. no new upload since
2007 for hexter. They are also not available on git.debian.org. It might
be a good first step for beginners to get some experience with git,
git-buildpackage, team guidelines (multiline fields) and housekeeping in
general to help with these 17 packages. WDYT? ;)

Housekeeping on old packages is indeed a gentle way to learn packaging.

Most gentle on release managers, however, is to carefully change only what is sensible for the scope of Squeeze, which I suspect is not so easy for new packagers to do.

Also, I agree with Felipe that we should look at the relevancy of these packages first, so as to not accidentally keep alive abandoned software through "training sessions".

For all of them, we should really get in touch with last persons actually working on the packages! I got quite upset when the VOIP team requested ftpmaster removal of a package I cared for, after a week of mailinglist discussion where I happened to be offline.

gmerlin: Is this taken care of by gmerlin-avdecoder?

No.  From the long description of gmerlin_avdecoder:

 Gmerlin_avdecoder is a general purpose media decoding library. It was
written as a support library for gmerlin, but it can also be used by other applications. You don't even need gmerlin installed, only gavl.

I believe gavl is packaged as libgavl1 for Debian (hmm - if true then perhaps we should improve the long description to mention that package name?)

I care for this, and will pour some love at it if noone else steps up in a day or two.

milkytracker: Upstream page is 403-Forbidden. I think we can drop a
dead-upstream project. Popcon ~= 250

Sometimes it makes sense to continue upstream-dead software. But only if really relevant (and probably not as a beginner task!).

Perhaps simply needs update to the Homepage stanza? Is it perhaps the software now located at http://milkytracker.org/ ?

I have no special interest in this myself, though.

openmovieeditor: Has a new upstream release from 2009, but the project
seems dead. Popcon < 1000.

Movie editors have different target groups and there are not too many of them.

I care for this, and will pour some love at it if noone else steps up in a day or two.

stops: Definitions and instrument for aeolus. No upstream release since
2007. Popcon < 200.

Well, aeolus *depends* on it!

vkeybd: A virtual keyboard. No new upstream release. Popcon ~= 350

I find this kind of tool relevant, and know of no alternative for this particular package. Please do enlighten me if I have missed a good alternative where time is better spent.

I care for this, and will pour some love at it if noone else steps up in a day or two.

 - Jonas

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