On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 05:03:44PM +0800, Simon Wise wrote:
On 18/08/10 02:21, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
On 17/08/10 12:30, Adrian Knoth wrote:

openmovieeditor: Has a new upstream release from 2009, but the project seems dead. Popcon < 1000.

Movie editors have different target groups and there are not too many of them.

I care for this, and will pour some love at it if noone else steps up in a day or two.

stops: Definitions and instrument for aeolus. No upstream release since 2007. Popcon < 200.

vkeybd: A virtual keyboard. No new upstream release. Popcon ~= 350

Those popcon figures are not low compared with figures for other audio pkgs.

Ardour has only 1/3rd of the openmovieeditor score.

Possibly most audio users do not opt-in for popcorn?

I do not believe audio on debian is dead, especially if all the derivatives are taken into account!

some egs..

jackd1:           441 (i.e.. jack-audio-connection-kit)
jackd2:           120
rosegarden:      1059
ardour:           275


qjackctl:        2876
libjack-jackd2-0: 937
libjack0:       34966
libjack-dev:     3039

I don't think you can call rosegarden, ardour and jack dead because of those numbers, the library and -dev numbers might suggest something about the people who do opt-in to popcon?

Or is it that most audio users are not using the debian pkgs yet, because until fairly recently these all had much more recent .deb versions available from outside debian ... the high libjack0 figures may suggest something like that?

With Squeeze getting much more up-to-date stuff (thanks mainly to the efforts made here!!) this may well change.

Unofficial packages are included in popcon, so only when unofficial packages are packaged under different names do they not appear.

Libraries have a high hit due to their _potential_ use in many apps (not because jackd is somehow really installed but hidden on these systems).

Rosegarden is included in Skolelinux, who (I believe) have enabled popcon by default since many years, contrary to Debian.

Your initial observation that popcon numbers are generally low for (production) multimedia tools I agree with.

Skolelinux uses popcon to help decide which packages to *prioritize* on their Debian-derived (sub)distro. I find it a sensible measure for that.

I find it wrong to use popcon to judge a package as irrelevant for Debian at all, as it is a _very_ vague measure for multiple reasons.

 - Jonas

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