I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > final reading: > $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +75.0°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took the > side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new reading > since doing that about 3 minutes ago is: > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +72.5°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +73.0°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +73.0°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +72.0°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +71.5°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +70.5°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +70.5°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +72.0°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +72.0°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +73.0°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors > radeon-pci-0100 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +72.5°C > > k10temp-pci-00c3 > Adapter: PCI adapter > temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) > (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) > > Not bad.... about a 2C drop > > Now we crash it! > See you on the other side! > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature >> >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is pretty >>> coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good. >>> $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +74.5°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> want me to crash it now? >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some >>>> cooling wouldn't improve things. >>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried >>>> to reproduce the crash yet? >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals >>>>> (if it helps): >>>>> >>>>> $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +74.0°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just before >>>>>> a crash >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not feasible! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with >>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> $ sensors >>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle <bri...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low >>>>>>>>>> it will just be annoying. >>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you >>>>>>>>>> haven't yet: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t >>>>>>>>>> emperature >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address >>>>>>>>>> that with fans and ventilation, etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether glmark >>>>>>>>>>>> alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then try >>>>>>>>>>>> opening up >>>>>>>>>>>> your case and point a fan in there. >>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management >>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then stress. >>>>>>>>>>>>> that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what it does >>>>>>>>>>>>> with dt) but >>>>>>>>>>>>> a power failure outage, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ` >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael <bmi...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stress the graphics card as well with one of these tools: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than 10 seconds? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout 1800s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after it had been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run10 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and temperature limits. You may have it set with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maximum temperature so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine panics when it's just warm. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with no crashes whereas before I had just started the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer and ran dt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I restarted and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a repeat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --timeout 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io, 2 vm, 0 hdd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your computer... or it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it should have no effect on on system or ram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumption unless you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing slowness during render cycles. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few minutes and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a GPU (I don't think). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a try. So it seems I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4850] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get a gpu.... correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <rusty.carr...@smartm.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always Firefox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking all of memory. 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Depending >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your desktop environment of choice, try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turning down graphics options, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or disabling the compositor all together to see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it helps stability. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had instructions on 'resetting' my computer when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it started acting weird >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave the computer on 24/7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up to it and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. Anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know how to fix this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail settings: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - 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