I'm going to run the gl test and run audio at the same time. That should make it crash sooner and the audio will also make it not go to sleep.... While i sleep.
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > i'm trying to recreate the crash to make sure I didn't copy and paste the > stress command with a blank space in it (which would cause the command to > execute). > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think glmark2 crashed it just crashed it after about 2 hours >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> final reading: >>> $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +75.0°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +53.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> editors note: the computer has 2 venting areas with fans. I just took >>> the side panel of and am going to run the computer without it. The new >>> reading since doing that about 3 minutes ago is: >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +72.5°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +73.0°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +73.0°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +49.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +72.0°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +71.5°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +53.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +70.5°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +52.2°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +70.5°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +72.0°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +72.0°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +50.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +73.0°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +50.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>> radeon-pci-0100 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +72.5°C >>> >>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>> temp1: +49.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>> >>> Not bad.... about a 2C drop >>> >>> Now we crash it! >>> See you on the other side! >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> 'coo' is supposed to read 'cool' as in not shorts temperature >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm just about to take a reading and then run stress again. It is >>>>> pretty coo, in here so not sure if a fan would do any good. >>>>> $ sensors >>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>> >>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>> temp1: +51.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>> >>>>> want me to crash it now? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Brien Dieterle <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well, those temperatures are not that hot, but that doesn't mean some >>>>>> cooling wouldn't improve things. >>>>>> Have you popped the case off and pointed a big fan in there and tried >>>>>> to reproduce the crash yet? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is around 180 seconds of readings at around 10 second intervals >>>>>>> (if it helps): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.2°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.5°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +50.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +53.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +52.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +52.0°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +74.0°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +50.6°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +74.5°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.4°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.8°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bmike1@MikesBeast ~ $ sensors >>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +75.0°C >>>>>>> >>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>> temp1: +51.9°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Brien Dieterle <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 30 mins is plenty for a test. Try to get sensors output just >>>>>>>> before a crash >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> how long do you want me to run glmark2 for? Forever is not >>>>>>>>> feasible! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Michael <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> as for the shutoff point everything that had anything to do with >>>>>>>>>> cutting power was already diabled >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Michael <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> $ sensors >>>>>>>>>>> radeon-pci-0100 >>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +68.0°C >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> k10temp-pci-00c3 >>>>>>>>>>> Adapter: PCI adapter >>>>>>>>>>> temp1: +45.1°C (high = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>>>>> (crit = +72.0°C, hyst = +70.0°C) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, it might be protecting your computer but if it is too low >>>>>>>>>>>> it will just be annoying. >>>>>>>>>>>> You still need to run sensors and get those numbers if you >>>>>>>>>>>> haven't yet: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15832/how-do-i-get-the-cpu-t >>>>>>>>>>>> emperature >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If your machine is legitimately overheating you need to address >>>>>>>>>>>> that with fans and ventilation, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Michael <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> if there is a shutoff point you did say disable it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:56 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you're on the right track. Try to isolate whether >>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark alone can crash it, or if you need stress as well. Then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> try >>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening up your case and point a fan in there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also don't forget to check the BIOS for thermal management >>>>>>>>>>>>>> events that might be causing the shutdown/reboot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Michael <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never mind..... I ran glmark around 5 minutes and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress. that crashed the machine! Not a nice reboot (like what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it does with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dt) but a power failure outage, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:41 PM, Michael <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if glmark2 doesn't crash it run stress the same amount >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Michael <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how long do I let glmark2's pretty horse rotate? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Michael <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ` >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd wait. If stress alone doesn't crash, run glmark2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by itself. If glmark2 doesn't crash, run them both at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run this now or after stress completes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not yet ;-). If it doesn't crash, you might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to stress the graphics card as well with one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these tools: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.pcsuggest.com/gpu- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benchmarking-and-stress-testing-in-linux/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So maybe kick off both stress and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> glmark2 --run-forever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if it doesn't crash I'll start hounding the darktable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just started..... lets see what happens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Forget darktable for now. Did you run stress test >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for more than 10 seconds? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will run a stress test for 30 minutes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 2 --timeout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1800s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you can get it to crash with just this stress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program, then it has nothing to do with darktable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no sensors running and as for it panicing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when warm sometimes it panics after I run dt 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes after it had been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut down an hour and doesn't panic even though dt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had run10 minutes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Brien Dieterle < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check your bios settings for hardware monitoring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and temperature limits. You may have it set with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maximum temperature so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine panics when it's just warm. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try raising this number or disabling the feature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entirely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But first check your sensors by installing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperature monitoring program >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2017 1:04 PM, "Michael" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is sooo ify! I just ran it for like 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes with no crashes whereas before I had just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started the computer and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ran dt for 2 minutes and it crashed. Then I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> restarted and I had a repeat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance of the 2 minute thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --vm-bytes 128M >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --timeout 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] dispatching hogs: 8 cpu, 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io, 2 vm, 0 hdd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stress: info: [7571] successful run completed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 10s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what that was suppossed to tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me but there it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am experiencing no slowness. It is like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days where you had a power switch on the back of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your computer... or it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a hard reboot. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Stephen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Partington <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenCL in darktable mainly impacts rendering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it should have no effect on on system or ram >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumption unless you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experiencing slowness during render cycles. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know.... I'm having trouble running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> darktable. It seems that after I start it it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs a few minutes and then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboots the computer. Probably because I do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a GPU (I don't think). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I saw this thread and thought that I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give that a try. So it seems I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not run chrome and darktable at the same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ___ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'lspci' shows that my graphics card is : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV770 [Radeon HD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4850] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 'lspci|grep gpu' returned an empty set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (if I did that correctly) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I suppose the cheapest way to fix this is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get a gpu.... correct? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Carruth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rusty <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my experience, it’s almost always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Firefox taking all of memory. 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Fiesta Blvd. Suite 101 Gilbert, Az. 85233 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* PLUG-discuss [mailto: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]] *On >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Michael Butash >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:05 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: computer slow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I ever have that, it's usually because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of something with a memory leak, or desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graphic compositing is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degrading over time. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Before you reboot, see if you can ssh into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it from another computer and check htop (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just top all you have), see if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something is consuming all your memory or cpu. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desktop compositors are all shite from what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can tell (including windoze), they're all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a varying degree of broken >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you push them, or just have a slow (or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buggy) video card. Depending >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your desktop environment of choice, try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turning down graphics options, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or disabling the compositor all together to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see if it helps stability. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -mb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM, Michael < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm almost certain that in my bag of tricks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had instructions on 'resetting' my computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when it started acting weird >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I can't find them. Riddle me this: I try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to leave the computer on 24/7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (maybe I shouldn't do that) and twice so far I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come up to it and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-responsive or really slow to respond. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone know how to fix this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your mail settings: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> man/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - 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