Quoting "Wilson John D. Barbon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Silly of me for asking in this mailing list--intended for "technical" matters. But I remember when I signed up for this list when I stumbled into PLUG website a couple of months ago it says--mailing list for newbies.
That was before PLUG was merged with PLUG-newbies, as these days we don't even care if the questions are for newbies or not, as who among us could say if a particular topic is just for newbies. Nowadays it also stated to don your asbestos suits. :)
I don't intend to be philosophical in raising that question. I got the idea of asking that question after reading some articles in Linux Magazine about how Linux solutions can also have myths--and can be very frustrating for desktop users like me and the many PC users on the planet.
Take note also of the purpose of Linux Magazine's existence. Contrast this also with the reason why the PLUG mailing list exists. There is a proper forum for everything.
Since we talk about philosophy, Socrates was famous for saying "know thyself" or "the unexamined life is not worth it"--for linux failing to see linux beyond the many "technical" blabber in this mailing list or beyond the flame wars that are happening--we may never know where we are going.
Probably. But that aspect wasn't really left behind as you may claim to be. It was only relegated to another list. This list has its own purpose - to serve technical inquiries. Occasionally we may dabble in sophistry and the like (you should come during meetings and you'd get to be reacquainted to Socrates, Plato, Russell et.al :) but then again the purpose of the list must prevail first.
Personally, after many sleepless nights looking for solutions just to make my soundcard work, or wifi device to work--I am aksing myself is it worth it? Using OpenOffice alongside MS Office users is a nightmare. Powerpoint
On the issue of worth it - that depends. For most cases a modern distro would detect everything and be functional right out of the box. <RANT MODE>Contrast this with the bare windows setup - the hunt for drivers in CDs and floppies isn't really one exercise I'd like to engage in all over again just to make simple networking work when I've been too babied with a working networkable install after 15 minutes, more so with buying, buying and buying more licenses for software that just consumes more space, CPU cycles, electricity and ultimately my hard-earned cash.</RANT MODE>
presentations from my co-workers or Word documents especially the ones with tables are all in disarray opening it in OpenOffice. One time, I was even reprimanded by the boss why I am in Linux after I submitted a presentation material made in openoffice but was completely unusable (texts and drawing are not in their proper places) during the time of the presentation. Damn it, I completely trusted OpenOffice Impress to just smoothly convert to .ppt and did not bother to check if its ok for the file to be opened in powerpoint.
That's to be expected. <RANT MODE>Unless you've got the gall, cash, and well, more, more and really damned more cash, to convince MS to release the specs of their documents, OpenOffice.org will always be steps behind when it comes to MS Office compatibility. The only fully compatible suit of MS Office is another MS Office suit of the same version.</RANT MODE>
Am i more productive in Linux than using MS Windows XP? I asked.
The community isn't there to guarantee that you'd be more productive. There is a potential for productivity, but that is subjective to how a person would adapt.
Flame wars, it really sometimes annoying but it is in flamewars that we get feedback from Linux users. It is through rants and complaints that Linux and other FOSS shape up
Maybe. Probably through complaints but not through flamewars wherein it's done willingly and purposefully to incite emotional outbursts and not constructive criticism. With that in mind it's much more productive and efficient to gather exact complaints and not mindless rants.
for the error. I do understand the limited resources we have Linux and spending bandwidth for these "intellectual masturbation" is really a waste of resources and time especially for a maling list intended for geeky and technical blobber. Months after I have been a member of this list most of the entries and subjects are coming from sysadmins, developers, programmers--few are coming from desktop users. I sometimes I get the impression that linux is not ready for the desktop user all the more for people who are not into programming, sysadministration and the like.
The problem with the original thread was that it was an open invitation for a flamefest. It wasn't about the desktop as I see it. The list is indeed technical in nature, if you've read the rules in http://linux.org.ph/lists.
If you learned something new with the rants, I think you've been hiding under a rock for the past few years as there's nothing new to learn there. Been there. Seen that. We're not blind to the shortcomings of each system. Now file those bug complaints! :D
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