On 12/8/06, Dean Michael Berris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course not. > Of course not what?
I would not work for the government for free.
> Would i contribute software to government? Of course! > Then good for you. But I was arguing about working as an administrator, a developer, and someone to be hired by the government.
They have to be paid of course. That can be mitigated by well designed software though and if the administrators can make the ncessary changes then they will lose their jobs. Kind of circular isnt it? Is that why data center software is so complicated? So admins keep their jobs. but contributing i dont mind. servers that can be administered by ordinary clerks? I can help. Our servers dont need full time admins.
> Well the communist argument part has got nothing to do with this at > all. The very fact that we are talking here and believing that we have > a right to be heard shows that we are not communists. You think > communists like "the people" deciding for themselves? > The point was that the communist edict of everyone owning everything therefore owning nothing, that the state provides and what the state owns is owned by the people, that there is a commune that owns everything and includes everyone disallows the people for deciding for themselves what they want. This is what the mentality of "Software should be available to everyone, and that everyone should be able to do whatever one wants with it, just so long as it is available to everyone too" is all about.
No it is not. I just dont want to monopolise something that is not monopolisable at all. Like the air we breath. And ideas that can easily and unconsciously passed from one person to another. Like software. Im a capitalist dude who likes all the decadent things and luxuries of the world. communists think that food, shelter, and clothing is enough to make people hapy. thats the leninist view. the maoist view says that private property is wrong. i dont agree with that at all. in a communist state you cant have internet. I believe in private property. I just dont believe ideas can be considered private property.
> Are you saying that FOSS advocates are communists therefore FOSS is no good! You're putting words in my mouth again.
Oh no. Thats what your statement leads to.
I am a FOSS advocate, but I don't support the FOSS bill in its current form. The strawman arguments have no place here. I was pointing out that if you think FOSS will be cheaper in the long run, then think again: you need to pay people to administer, at least reward the people who will modify monetarily, and "foster the growth of the local software industry" thus means putting money to the effort. > > Please Ad Hominem arguments like this is totally unfair. > Ad Hominem? Am I attacking the person?
Implying that FOSS is communist therefore you are is fallacious. Thats is an ad hominem argument. I feel that im being accused of being a communist. You put me on the defensive and you force me to defend my political beliefs. Thats ad hominem. I am not a communist! You seem to be scared of losing the monopoly on software technology. You like to maintain your elite status or something? You are a firm believer of intellectual property arent you? I dont think i can persuade you otherwise. Neither could you persuade me otherwise. I think the market will do the persuading not words. Can you stop people from giving away software that they made for themselves? You cannot. Neither can the proprietary software companies.
I was suggesting that if it's alright for someone to be under a dictatorial communist rule, that the person was a communist and presumably would agree with what the "mandatory FOSS" and "FOSS in the long run will be cheaper" proposition.
Oh no. Thats wrong. So what if the government is communist. It just doesnt matter. What matters is anybody should be able to modify software. Even if it is a communist country and the politburo says only the committee on software can make changes thats is still wrong. Its the monopoly on software technology that is wrong. The government "context" does not matter.
If you feel hurt about the statements, then that's your choice. We live in a democracy and operate in a capitalistic economy -- if you don't like it then that's your problem.
Im a capitalist too you know. And i like easy capital. Like free compilers. And I sell services not software.
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