Let's schedule the chat session at a convenient time for most people in PLUG. 
Which day/time do you suggest?

//PManalastas


--- On Tue, 7/14/09, fooler mail <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: fooler mail <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [plug] Code Review & SysAdmin of Election 2010 Computers
> To: "Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List" 
> <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Marvin Villanueva" <[email protected]>, "Pablo Manalastas" 
> <[email protected]>, "Elsa Gines" <[email protected]>, "Felix Muga" 
> <[email protected]>, "Fidel dela Torre" <[email protected]>, "Edwin 
> Tuazon" <[email protected]>, "Evi Jimenez" <[email protected]>, "Bob Tuazon" 
> <[email protected]>, "Felix Muga" <[email protected]>, "Rosa Castillo" 
> <[email protected]>, "Rodellyn Mañalac" <[email protected]>, "Vicky 
> Avena" <[email protected]>, "Unicka Sta Ana" <[email protected]>
> Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 3:41 PM
> 2009/7/13 Pablo Manalastas <[email protected]>:
> >
> > I volunteered as IT consultant for CenPEG, the Center
> for People Empowerment in Governance.  This is a NGO, and
> it is engaged in a project to document and analyze the
> computerized 2010 elections.  CenPEG is not against
> computerization. It is in favor of computerization, provided
> that appropriate safeguards are put in place to minimize
> possibilities of cheating. The CenPEG project has a
> website:
> >
> > http://www.aes2010.net/
> >
> > This website is under development, so please expect
> new things to be added from time to time.
> >
> > CenPEG itself has a website: http://www.cenpeg.org/.
> 
> 
> doc.. i would like to help for the future of our country...
> i strongly
> suggest to discuss this over a chat server where everybody
> can listen
> and interact.. there are lots of clarifications to asks but
> doing this
> in a mailing list will take more time...
> 
> there are lots of issues to tackle... these are few issues
> to start with...
> 
> 1. we know that in manual election... cheating are done
> during
> transporting of ballots (switching) and manipulation of
> canvas at the
> higher level.. this can be done also in automated system
> where i can
> see they can switch code during the transport of machines
> to precincts
> and switch it back to a clean one upon surrending the
> machines to
> comelec...
> 
> 2. private key must be protected by using passphrase...
> even if the
> private key was stolen by the cheaters.. they cannot create
> a new ER
> and sign those fake ERs as only the owner of the key knows
> how to
> unlock it...  but how the public/private key pair is
> going to create?
> during the election time or before? on or before election
> time have
> pros and cons and need to tackle this one also...
> 
> 3. sending of data thru 3G networks - there are places in
> the
> philippines where there are no 3G signals in there.. only
> 2.5G signal
> and below such as GSM, GPRS (114kbps) or EDGE (236kbps) ..
> these are
> slow bandwidth... you can do the math how big is the data
> to be
> transmitted over these slow networks.. 1000 voters per
> machine times
> the average size of TIFF image plus the votes, logs and
> others..
> 
> 4. why still following the old fashion way of counting
> where ERs bring
> to municipal/provincial/congressional canvassers where
> cheating and
> manupilation are done there? why not ERs directly bring to
> the main
> canvassers in NCR as computers quickly count this and the
> results are
> just a few seconds away... ERs send to comelec, namfrel,
> and to a
> pubic server where others can do unofficial counting for
> parallel
> counting...
> 
> there are lot more and i know there are solutions for the
> above
> issues... if you can suggest a chatting time and the name
> of a server
> where to login so that pluggers and IT group from CenPEG
> can interact
> with each other to tackle these issues very well... if
> there is a web
> based chat client to use.. much better so that others on
> mobile can
> join also...
> 
> fooler.
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