If you don't trust programmers, you are in the wrong profession.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't trust programmers who hide their code. Although not all > reviewers are honest, all it takes to expose anomalies in open source > is one honest reviewer. > > However in a close source system all it takes to corrupt the system is > one corrupt programmer. > > Regards, > Danny Ching > > > On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> You don't trust programmers? >> >> This precisely what's wrong with source code review. >> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> Very true. Unfortunately, I do not trust the programmers if I cannot >>> check their work. The purpose of source code validation is not to >>> check the computer or it's software's trustworthiness. A computer >>> will >>> do what it's told. It is human corruption I'm worried about. Of >>> course >>> outside of computers that is a different problem altogether. I just >>> don't want people blaming computerization for failure of elections. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Danny Ching >>> >>> >>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What you mean is the trustworthiness of the people running the >>>> system. >>>> >>>> I'll say one thing from my experience, you can't use the system to >>>> arrest >>>> human corruption. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I think I see where you are coming from. It is not the system we >>>>> are >>>>> worried about sir. It is the trustworthiness of the system. A >>>>> simple >>>>> exposure of the code will show that it is not doing anything out of >>>>> the ordinary. Besides. If the code is indeed simple as you said, >>>>> then >>>>> checking the cource code should be easy. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Danny Ching >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected] >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A tester does not need to know about programming to test and >>>>>> accept >>>>>> a System. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:47 PM, fooler mail <[email protected] >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected] >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Remember, Election Automation Software is one of the easiest to >>>>>>>> develop. >>>>>>>> It is "Count and Tally", nothing complicated and convoluted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> true.. BUT... the purpose of source code review is to examine if >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> is something beyond the count and tally thing which cannot be >>>>>>> seen by >>>>>>> your simulation test.. as what danny said - TRIGGERS.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> special keyboard hotkey, special packets, special ER and others >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> trigger the manipulation of votes to do the dagdag-bawas >>>>>>> scheme... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> fooler. >>>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>>>>> >>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>>> >>>> _________________________________________________ >>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>> _________________________________________________ >>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>> >> _________________________________________________ >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _________________________________________________ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph
